That why you use FoS.

Tsk, Thomas, I don't think you got her point.

Isa, the header post is a good idea, I guess. I'll do it, though.

Vote Count

FoS:
4 - Isa (Harumbai, Soccerboy13542, DeathBunni X, Jorster23)
4 - Jellsprout (Silver, Guyguyxtreme, Dando, Yaya)
3 - Thomas (Isa, Guyguyxtreme, Dando)
2 - Silver (Thomas, Guyguyxtreme)
2 - DeathBunni X (Harumbai, Dando)
2 - Jorster23 (Isa, Yaya)
1 - Woodstock (Isa)

I'm catching up, Isa.
It is funny. We both have 4 FoS's, but nobody has FoS'ed both of us. We haven't FoS'ed each other either.

FoS: Jellsprout
It seems he wants to be FoS'ed....

So, is it Team Jell versus Team Isa? Which one will gather the biggest fanbase?

It seems like that.

I will probably vote for the least active person this day. It is impossible to tell this early who are in the mafia and inactive people take the fun out of the game. Either way, I won't vote for Isa. The game would get dull pretty fast without him. Besides me and Dando to some extent, he is the only one actually trying to spark discussions and make things interesting. Everybody else is either just FoS'ing people because either another person FoS'd them, or they do seemingly random FoS's without explanations.

You guys are the smart and foreign ones, (and the oldest players, I think). I think everybody is just looking to you guys for direction and influence like they do with most Interguild-related things. We're sheep. We need border collies.

Too bad that you lot are voting out the old, smart foreign ones (you do as well, Yaya, you have a FoS on Jell).

Anyway, would it be time for voting this very moment, I'd cast my vote on either Jorster or Woodstock, because of how inactive they are, like Jell said. I've motivated it previously, so it probably shouldn't shock anyone. I doubt that when Christmas Day comes, I'll change my vote, unless they suddenly step things up.

Just because they're smart and foreign, doesn't mean they aren't against me.

Also, to make things interesting, I present you this.


My (very weak, but nonetheless interesting) theory is that Dando and either Jorster/Woodstock, or both, are part of the Mafia. This is because Dando's FoS'es towards Thomas and Deathbunni are motivated by their lack of posts explaining their thinking. She then proceeds to say that she can't comment on Jorster or Woodstock because they haven't posted anything substantial. Wouldn't she give them a FoS as well, considering that they haven't opened themselves up either? If she thought of this yet didn't FoS them, it must be because she + one of the others is a Mafia member, and if she points out one but not the other it will seem very odd and suspicious. Therefore, the two alternatives is to either point both out, risking that people focus their attention on the one she has sided with, or to tone their roles down, avoiding to give her allied any focus.

Thoughts on this, anyone? I think we're not getting anywhere closer to a better theory than this until Day 2, but it's still something.

Thomas and DBX were FoS'ing people without providing input, while Jorster and Woodstock weren't. You don't give a FoS to people you are going to vote for, you give a FoS to people you suspect of being in the mafia. Thomas and DBX refusing to explain their FoS is a bit suspicious. If you have a solid reason to suspect people, why not tell them? While Jorster and Woodstock hadn't said anything at the time, so it was completely impossible to tell if they actually are in the mafia or not.
However, DBX actually does give some reasons for her FoS's. So I don't know about the FoS's aimed at her.

Not necessarily. Giving a FoS at a silent person is a, generally speaking, good way to make said person speak up. For example, that's why I FoS'ed Jorster and Woodstock, to get information. Just saying that this and that person hasn't posted and that you therefore can't comment on him/her is falling for their trap.

I find the completely silent people more suspicious than the ones who actually say something.

FoS is just an official known way to point your suspicions. There could be a lot more suspicions inside people's heads. But jell's being very nonchalant about this so careless that he wouldn't be mafioso. Isa, however, is trying to keep the attention off of himself and using rhetorical questions for it. He also is doing it pretty slyly because of his experience. Word manipulation.

Does that explain my FoS?

I think Isa may be part of Mafia and writing a really long post about other people to bring attention to these members and take attention off himself.

If I wanted to take attention off myself, I'd do like Yaya or Harumbai - post once or twice per day, or even better, like Guyguy. It isn't possible to remain unnoticed if your post 5+ longs posts per day, where you either defend yourself from accusations or post theories. An easier way is to post a FoS, provide a short explanation, and then disappear.

So far, we've had three persons making longer posts than average - me, Jell and Dando. Dando's Dando, so she won't be suspected. She also waited until accusations/suspicions were already running wild until coming with her sole long post. Me and Jell though, have both made long posts where we present suspicions and back up them with theories that we try to explain. Those can't go without notice. Of course you will look upon them with a critic eye, it's impossible not to - but if everyone starts to dismiss them and says "You accused him, you clearly did that because you want to draw attention to someone else!", then I say that everyone just remains silent until voting time arrives, and then see how much information we've gathered. (Hint - it's none.)

Basically, it feels to me like it boils down to this: I make multiple long posts where I take an active role in the game. This is suspicious, because if I was innocent, I wouldn't post as much and wouldn't make as many accusations. Is that correct?

FoS: Thomas

That doesn't mean anything, that's just what everybody else has been saying about Isa with just more general words. Even 2-3 pages later, you have not told why you think Silver is mafia. Even though you somewhat explained it recently, if you just sit back and say it's not mandatory to explain, you're looking like you just are trying to attract attention to somebody else. Once again, you're just attracting attention to Isa, using hot air as support.

And this post now seems kinda irrelevant since Isa ninja'd me (doesn't count as editing, though!)

I wouldn't actually have voted for you based on that; I just wanted to see your reaction. It is indeed early in the game, and I'm aware of the unintentional bias I'd have against people who speak more. But your "convincing people you're innocent" comments are still pretty suspicious to me.


You didn't forget to say that, actually. That was a bit of an over-explanation.

Anyway, I'm willing to accept that you're just trying to stir up some more activity, and for the sake of that activity I wouldn't actually want to see you lynched on the first day. But you do seem like one of the greater threats at this point, and I do think that this phase of the game can be pretty telling and important. At least later on.


Like Jell said, Thomas and Deathbunni had actually made their suspicions known without explaining them (I don't consider "for what everyone else is saying" an explanation). My FoS was to prompt them to be more open. Woodstock and Jorster hadn't said anything, and I hadn't seen either of them online, either, so I figured they just hadn't checked the thread yet. A FoS wouldn't do much in that case.

This post just got ninja'd by Isa and Yaya.

I actually read this thread at least 3 times a day. I'm just too lazy to log in sometimes. Espeically when typing on an iPhone.

Besides, posting a lot isn't an automatic get out ticket. Posting actual, solid suspicions could be helpful. During Isa's posts, he automatically says 'I can't because I post a lot' or something like that. During his long posts, he extends on a lot of his suspicions but doesn't give a solid thing about his side. He also doesn't specifically FoS anyone except for the extremely silent, which does actually make sense. But he refuses to vote for those with lots of input. This means he doesn't want anyone to think about him.

FoS: Jorster

All of his accusations, whilst they do have a reason, seem a little... I don't know... Pathetic? He is constantly trying to divert attention away from himself and doesn't post much.

Reading =/= Posting. I never said anything about reading.

Agreed. Do note that it's better for everyone if people post, that way we have something to build our theories on. This is part of why I post a lot - the other part is because I like this game and frequently visit the Interguild, so why not post here? (also, to defend myself)

I can't what because I post a lot? I can't be a Mafia member? Of course I can! What I am saying is that I CAN'T avoid confrontation if I want to post something meaningful. What I find troublesome is that I immediately get suspected when I posted (and withdrew) my suspicion and followed it up by defending myself when I was accused.

It has already been stated that FoS at this point means very little. My previous votes doesn't matter because guess what, there has been none!
This, however, is complete nonsense. I don't want to vote for Jell because as it stands now, I don't have anything to back my claims up with. Who else has a lot of input? I don't know. Please tell.
The most baffling thing though, is that me not putting a FoS on Jellsprout means that people don't want to think about me. Come again? I have already stated that people WILL think about me, and I feel secure that I won't get lynched by the townsfolk the first round because I can back my claims up. If I want people to forget about me, I'd stop posting. Simple as that. I had to read the previous pages to remember that Bmwsu was in the game and it took me a while to remember that Guyguy was as well. THOSE successfully make people forget about them.

In a thread with ~110 replies, if ~15-20 of those are from the same person, how would it make sense to forget about the person behind all of those posts? It does NOT. I WANT to be in the spotlight. People have to face my arguments if I post, if I don't, we'll dwindle in uncertainty when voting rolls around. I don't know how many times I have to repeat that.

I haven't done that?

Anyway, I've been noticing a bit of comradery between you and Jell. This is pure speculation at this point, but it's certainly possible that both Isa and Jell are Mafia. It would be a great strategy on their part to start the game by accusing each other. Isa seemed quick to try to turn the tables on me when I drew attention to Jell, I noticed, and they have shared some exchanges in which they seem a bit too comfortable with each other.



Just throwing that out there.

FoS: Thomas

He's acting a bit silly, to be honest.

That was just a reference to this:

Regarding me and Jell, if we were Mafia, I wouldn't rush to his protection to cover him completely, because it hints too much at us. In retrospective, I can clearly see why it puts me and him in a bad position and bearing that in mind, I probably made a mistake.

I am of course not admitting to being a Mafia member, I just feel secure with Jell not being a Mafia for now. Also, he started being friendly...

But yeah, I actually have nothing good to say in my defence regarding that. Jell can change quickly from serious to relaxed, and I can as well, as recently seen.