Quite a few people have the end of the school year breathing down their necks. I'm graduating middle school in a few weeks myself. And he said that mafiats need a reason to lynch. Didn't he give a reason right there?

Flavor text can be useless, but sometimes it has purpose. As in the last game, where there were so many blocks of text it was confusing, Isa's way of mafia is a lot more condensed. But I see no reason to ignore it.

What makes you so sure the independant is a serial killer?

Here we goes with hypocritism (is that a word?). He had a whole list of mafia planned. Whatis wrong with suspicion now, that he is seen a mafia.

And no, I am not allied with CSD in any way. I actually keep forgetting a lot of people are here.

I stand my ground and keep my vote toward Jell.

CSD was just blurting out some seemingly random names there. I didn't really care about that, I just wanted to know if there was actually a reason for these specific people. Especially that early in the game, when most people had only made a one or two posts.



I was killed the second night last time. My only kill was blocked. I had done absolutely nothing with my powers the previous game. If anything, I know how impossible it is to win if you are a serial killer. You are basically the Mafia, except you have to kill everyone before you win and you have no allies at all. I was just reminding people that we shouldn't just focus on the Mafia. There are also other people trying to kill us.


Bmwsu was already dead. Once the first few votes are cast, it is difficult to save him. You'll notice that Bmwsu received 8 votes in the end while he only needed 7. My vote didn't have any impact. And are you forgetting that you were the next person to vote? Why am I suddenly so mighty suspicious, but you aren't? The only reason I voted before you is because I came online before you. As I said before, I voted as soon as I saw the cascade has started to end that day. Nothing could happen anymore anyway.


The vote for Quirvy was a joke, a response to him voting for himself. But I was afraid that everybody else would also switch their vote from Bmwsu to Quirvy, so I change my vote back. Look at the posts today and look how active Bmwsu was the previous day. Do you think the game would remain interesting with Bwmsu alive instead of Quirvy?

Furthermore, how could I possibly benefit from Bmwsu's death if I were Mafia? I think I have made it clear that the Mafia benefits from inactive people. As we saw during the last few games of the previous game, the inactive people will eventually stop posting and voting, no people will be lynched anymore and there is nothing left to stop the Mafia from winning. If I were Mafia, wouldn't I benefit more from leaving only the inactive people alive?


CSD is not trying to get you lynched based on you playing "less logical" either. While I don't really see how this makes any sense, I tried to give a reason why I could be playing less logical.
The reason why I voted for Bmwsu is probably the exact same reason why you voted for Bmwsu. He was inactive and had already gathered a few votes. So why am I more suspicious than you?


I think it is obvious the Mafia would try to kill every night. I also think it is obvious the Mafia wouldn't kill one of their own. And finally, I don't think Isa has made two Serial Killer roles or that the Jack Of All Trades role would waste his only kill in the first night on a random guy. I also find it a bit unlikely that an Elite Bodyguard or something would target a seemingly random target such as Yaya on the first night. The only possibility left is that the Mafia killed Yaya and that the Serial Killer killed Nebnebben.
Sometimes flavor text is exactly what it says on the tin. Just a little flavor.


My list was made during the first day on weak suspicions. I was never convinced any of them were actually Mafia (though I was correct on at least one). You, however, are actively trying to get me killed for pretty shallow reasons. Just like CSD. That is a stronger suspicion than any I've ever had. I don't see how that is hypocritical.

Vote/FoS count:

Votes:
2 - jellsprout (canadianstickdeath, DeathBunni X)
2 - DeathBunni X (jellsprout, guyguyxtreme)

FoS'es:
2 - jellsprout (DeathBunni X, guyguyxtreme)
1 - Jazz (guyguyxtreme)
1 - canadianstickdeath (Thomas)
1 - Harumbai (Thomas)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: May 27th, 2010, 11:59PM Interguild Time

'What makes you so sure the independant is a serial killer?'

Uhh, why would the independent be anything other than Serial Killer? Do you really think Isa would put something like 'Advertiser' instead?

'He's trying to stall time. (I'm on my phone so it's hard to do highlighting an stuff on here). And remember, Mafiats are trying to stall time to spark up confusion and disorganization. He also states the obvious (the need to lynch). Of course we need to lynch! It's a hunch for me, anyway.'

They'd want to get people lynched as soon as they get a chance, right? So there is no questioning about the whole thing? The Mafia jump on someone as soon as a none mafia gives a vote, I think. I have a gut feeling CSD is not mafia, but you took your chance and voted for him quickly in order to spark up more votes. Stalling time would not be good for them. More discussion= Less findings.

I think that this has taken a toll on your logic because man that first big post you made makes no sense to me.

You know, originally I was gonna point the finger at guyguy for his tag-along-vote and some other things he's done before, because as suspicious as DBX's post was, I didn't think that any mafia would make a move as stupid as voting for someone at that time (less stupid if you're a town), but then I actually read DBX's post and wow, none of that makes any sense. I don't even know where to begin. To be honest, your reasoning strikes me as being similar to nebneb's, except that nebneb's reasons were just really bad while yours don't make any sense.

I guess I can attempt it.



If I had to choose right now who to lynch, I would lynch you. Your arguments are confusing and just don't make any sense to me, and although I feel like you're town based on my gut reaction, I felt the same way about nebneb and look at him. Out of curiosity who do you think our number 2 guy is? So far I've only really heard you go on about jellsprout.

Also, jell, why do you refuse to believe that there is at least a possibility that nebneb died because of a mafia kill gone bad? There is more than one possibility for what could have transpired last night, and the flavor text might point us to what it is. You're being too narrow minded.

Are you sure about that?

Are you sure about that?

I don't refuse to believe that Nebnebben was killed because of a Mafia kill gone bad, I just find it unlikely. There are few powers that protect a person from a night kill, even fewer that kill the assaulter as well. And even then both Nebnebben and this protector person would have had to have the same target. With 12 people in the game, I simply find this unlikely to have happened.

Are you sure about that?


It is unlikely, but it's not possible, and it's not 1 out of 100 odds, it's basically 1 out of 12 odds, and that's if there's no thought going into their night actions and it's just random.

Town can have killing powers too.

Although I'm not sure, I doubt Isa would give a townie killing powers. Besides, what reason would the independent have not killing anyone that night? As with the mafia?

Didn't you have killing powers in the other game, DeathBunni?

Actually I take back that no townies would have killing powers.But I doubt any would have unlimited kills.

Yes, I had killing powers in the last game. Ironically, I used them to kill Jell.

I think they have only one chance.

And the Death/Jell thing makes suspicious of both of them. It's just a gut feeling, though.

I think that Guyguy and Thomas are innocent. I'm only vouching for Thomas so he won't go 'i told you silver was mafia' again. And Guyguy's just like a normal panicked townie, suspecting everyone.

My reasoning is pretty bad, though.

I'm not sure if this makes any sense.

If Nebneb was killed by an indie (which I think is more likely, just the flavour was making me doubt that more obvious scenario) then I have a hard time understanding why. Though I'm not surprised that nebneb was mafia, he's far from the obvious choice to kill. So, do guyguy and nebneb know each other in real life? If they do, and guyguy is a Serial Killer, then that perhaps would have factored into his decision? Them knowing each other in real life is the only thing I could think of for why a serial killer would actually kill nebneb, unless he was somehow SURE nebneb was mafia. I also feel that guyguy has been acting suspiciously. That quick bandwagon with Jell, just now, especially.

"It would appear you and CSD are trying to get rid of me. What could this possibly mean?"
It means we think you're mafia.

I've been waiting for someone other than myself to think that guyguy has been acting suspicious, but I'm more focused on DBX now because I feel all of the arguments she's made has been flawed or at the very least poorly explained because I read those 2 posts regarding jell and was like, "What?"

CSD, what were your thoughts on DBX's posts.

that last sentence was supposed to end in a '?' not a period.

Vote: DBX
Oh god there are so many arguments and stuff against DBX I can't exactly fathom my own. But I do agree with the fact that her explanations were flawed. Also, she's only going after Jell - aren't you going to go against someone else? Also,

FoS: Jell
Seems a little too smart for a Townie - but this is Jell I'm talking about. Aside from that horrible sentence, he seems to know quite a bit much about the Mafia, so I think it's possible he might be a Mafia. But I'm being loose and stupid here, I'm having a horrible day because I was abandoned by my friend.

I would also strongly suspect that the mafia kill did not mess up.

About being a mafia, don't trust in your fellows not to backstab you.

Placing the 3rd vote, eh Silver? You're aware that's the scummiest vote, right? And if you think Jell is suspicious, why are you voting with him? Hopping on bandwagons started by the very people you find suspicious seems... rather counter-intuitive to me. Tell me you aren't you going around FoSing your buddies again?

"Also, she's only going after Jell - aren't you going to go against someone else?"
She's going after who she thinks is scum. What's the problem with that?

FoS: Silver


"CSD, what were your thoughts on DBX's posts."
She's putting her neck on the line to stand up for what she believes. Her arguments may be flawed, but my read is she's just trying the best she can.

I am still on vacation but I found an internet cafe and there´s only 3 minutes left on the computer so I will

Vote: DeathBunni X

I believe you are the most suspicious person in the game at the moment.
I doubt I will find internet again so see you guys on Friday or Saturday.

The problem with DBX's arguements, and some of yours as well CSD, is that they apply to half the people still alive. Most of them apply to DBX herself as much as to me. DBX is making sloppy and incoherent arguments, bandwagon voted Bmwsu yesterday despite not actually suspecting him, expressing the desire to kill the inactive over the suspicious. I am apparently the most suspicious person in the game for these reasons, yet you praise DBX.

You also seem very keen on halting all votes. First you scold us for following him and lynching Bmwsu so quickly, next you vote for me, partly because I was the fifth person to vote for Bmwsu, and you accuse Silver of being mafia almost purely because of her being the fourth person to vote. And now you again accuse Silver because she is the third person to vote.
Let us see how your theory of "3-5 posters are probably mafia" holds up by looking at the previous day. I bolded all the mafia votes for comparison.



Two times has the mafia voted as the third person, with one of those two times the vote being against another mafia member, and two times the third person to vote was a townie. Two times was the fourth voter mafia, two times town. None of the times the mafia was the fifth person to vote. Furthermore, note how on day 4 Harumbai cast the third vote, according to you the "scummiest vote", against a fellow mafia member, and on day 5 Silver didn't vote on Bmwsu, despite posting directly after Woodstock's vote and being able to cast this "scummiest vote".
So only 3 out of 9 of these suspicious votes were actually cast by mafia members, none of the semi-suspicious were cast by mafia members, with 1 of the 3 suspicious votes against Soccerboy, a mafia member, being cast by a fellow mafia member. How suspicious does that actually make these votes?

As I said earlier in this post, you are trying to discourage people from voting. Without votes, there are no lynches. Without lynches, either the Mafia or the Serial Killer will win.

Vote/FoS count:

Votes:
4 - DeathBunni X (jellsprout, guyguyxtreme, Silver, Thomas)
2 - jellsprout (canadianstickdeath, DeathBunni X)

FoS'es:
3 - jellsprout (DeathBunni X, guyguyxtreme, Silver)
1 - Jazz (guyguyxtreme)
1 - canadianstickdeath (Thomas)
1 - Harumbai (Thomas)
1 - Silver (canadianstickdeath)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: May 27th, 2010, 11:59PM Interguild Time

At this point CSD is fighting a losing battle in defending DBX and trying to get jell lynched. If we lynch her and she turns out to be mafia, we all know who'd be next in line at this point. It would have been so easy for him to realize that he couldn't really defend DBX's arguments and just bail on her while continuing to argue for lynching jell, but he's sticking his neck out for her which appears to me to be pretty risky. He's basically the only one at this point arguing for DBX to not get lynched, which leads me to believe that he may know something we don't, that he's just really focused on getting jell lynched (you're losing that battle pretty badly, too, btw) or that he's DBX's partner in crime.

By now we would have heard from DBX's partner if she's mafia. So, you say, "well, that's CSD!!"

So if that's true, then you've got your mafia team outlined already: CSD and DBX

But what if that's not the case? What if DBX isn't the mafia you all seem to think she is, and then we dig ourselves into a hole because we were all so busy trying to get the wrong guy lynched?

I also think that it's pretty pointless to go after jellsprout at this point, you are not going get that done on day 2. Yeah, you've got "sway" as you'd say it, but not enough to compete with jell retaliating against the weaker DBX who's throwing out poorly structured arguments and has her sole attention on jell right now. People would much rather incorrectly lynch DBX than incorrectly lynch Jell, so no, you are not going to get it done with "He voted fifth, so he's gotta be mafia" Give up on that already and save it for when you've got more to argue than that.

Here's what I'm gonna say and it's obviously going to be a little bit difficult to sell because we've already got 6 votes, but I don't think we should lynch either jell or DBX today.

Both DBX and CSD have made long winded posts, which is something I don't think that I'd see the mafia doing very much of, especially not from 2 of them. Of course, CSD is experienced, he could be directing DBX to make big posts siding with him if they're mafia. Either way, at this point CSD is clearly defending DBX so if DBX is mafia, then we'll know who to turn to next, but I just don't trust it. I don't think that after nebneb's terrible day 1 performance, the mafia would come back and make themselves so clearly aligned. We can still lynch DBX tomorrow if we don't have any better options available, hell I'm sure the independent would be happy to do it for us tonight. But I have this gut feeling lynching DBX would be a mistake.

And let's be honest CSD, at this point you're not going to get jell lynched. Try again tomorrow. Maybe you know or are almost sure of DBX's innocence somehow, but continuing to go after jell is a waste of your time if your intention is lynching mafia, because you are never going to get enough support for that on day 2.

I think we should find someone else to lynch today instead of just focusing on 2 people because those are the ones that everyone's talking about. Why? Because you guys are being way too narrow minded right now. You guys seem to think that either jell is mafia, or DBX is mafia, and you don't seem to be willing to explore other possibilities because you want to get everybody to agree with you so that you can find out if you're right. I mean, you guys got FoS' on some other people and that's nice and all but your not actually going after anybody else because right now all the pressure is on DBX and Jell because they're the only people with votes on them. Sure, CSD, you called out Silver but she knows she's not in danger of dying today cuz she's got 0 votes, and there's people with 2 and 4 votes. If our lynch goes bad, we can lynch DBX tomorrow, in fact, maybe we can get our friendly neighborhood serial killer to take her out tonight if things don't work out. But I personally think that we should forget about jell and DBX right now and look at other people who we can lynch instead.

What about guyguy? He's been flying way under everyone's radar. He hasn't said anything to draw attention to himself with the exception of the DBX vote, which is also suspicious considering he had been suspicious of jellsprout in the post before it. Jellsprout just magically convinced him that DBX was the right choice. If I was a mafia, I just lost a member, I'm gonna fly under the radar and just tag along in discussions without really contributing anything, kind of like what guyguy's been doing. I'm not gonna make 2 giant posts outlining why I think we should lynch some other guy. I've seen guyguy around quite a bit without seeing him post, I'll admit I've done that a lot but usually I'm working on some big post like this, and I haven't seen any of that out of him. Mafia forum perhaps?

And lets not leave jazz out of this either. I'm giving him time cuz he'd been gone all last week, but he'd been avoiding saying anything of relevance from the start, and even now that he's finally discussing things of relevance, what he's saying seems to be pretty vague or insignificant to finding mafia.

And of course we've got silver, whose posts have been mainly comprised of her talking about how she doesn't have any ideas about anything and wondering where her contributions have gone. She brought up the point that DBX is only focusing on jellsprout is a little strange, and that was good but that doesn't redeem her from all of the inactivity she's had.

I also wanna hear more out of harumbai because I haven't been able to form any opinion about him at all. H, what are your thoughts on all of this? Who are you most suspicious of and why?


Anyways, I'll be one of the first and many to admit it looks very much like CSD and DBX is our couple of mafia, but I don't feel like we should limit ourselves to that possibility. We should go after someone else today, if our lynch backfires, we allow our good friend the indie to take out DBX at night instead of going after him if he kills again, because he wants the mafia dead as much as we do, and DBX is not a valuable asset to us if she is town. It's a risk I'm willing to take, but ultimately it's not up to me since we're only 2 votes away from DBX's death.

But what ever you do

DO NOT END THE DAY EARLY LIKE LAST TIME

At the very worst end it 2 days ahead of schedule but not even that should happen, I don't want to log on tomorrow and see DBX has been executed and is town.

If I was mafia, and CSD just saw me in trouble with all your accusations, he'd have abandoned me long ago to save his neck. That hasn't happened, has it?

The mafia isn't stupid, or that joined together. Last game they were all separated. It's all for their own in a mafia game. Well, not truly, but the mafia isn't a 3-headed dragon. It's Germany, Italy, and Japan. Joined but together in a sense.

I'm pretty sure I'm gonna die at this point.

If I'm mafia, you'll all lynch CSD. If I'm town, you'll probably point a finger at Jell. If I'm independant, you'll all shrug your shoulders and go on.

Almost everyone dies in this game. I'm no exception. But I want to be killed for reasons. And none of you have listed them out. So I've already used my appeal. I'm waiting for my sentence.

But I'm pulling the trigger, kicking the bucket, and throwing the brick in the lake. I'm taking the last vote. Just for myself.

Let the dead bury the dead.

Unvote: Jellsprout