*epic music starts*
...

But seriously, I don't know if I can take that post above seriously. It just seems like someone giving up.
I don't think Death is a mafia guy/gal. I don't think they would give up that easily.
On the list of non-mafia guys/gals, I have:
Thomas
Guyguy
Quirvy (mayor?)

I just have this list so I can focus on others.

It was more of a 'fine, kill me, *insert plural offensive name here*' sorta thing.

If you were me you would understand.

I don't actually know anymore, to keep my vote for DBX or not, I've actually been swayed by all this talk so

Unvote: DBX

...Gah. Like this will change anything. Why am I trying

"which leads me to believe that he may know something we don't"
I'm the Water Tap Crate. DBX is the Water Tap (town-aligned), according to my role PM. DBX will know that I'm telling the truth, but since you're suspicious of both of us, it doesn't really help us survive. The less the mafia knows, the better, honestly, so as I'm typing this I'm still debating whether or not to post it. If I die before DBX dies, my thought is that the protagonists will eventually drown. I'd rather stay alive, but honestly think it'd be too risky to actually try that on purpose, since we know nothing about how it'll work. If the mafia have a hitman or we don't have a doctor, it'd be infeasible to try, anyway. I'd recommend DBX be protected, regardless, since the mafia essentially can't kill me before DBX dies. Keeping this secret would have been so much easier if we were masons, since then we could have coordinated not to get ourselves onto the same bandwagon like this.

What I said was "For me, the scummiest place to be in a miss-lynch is votes number 3-4 and maybe 2 or 5."
You realize that three quarters of those lynches had scum in the 3rd and 4th votes? One of those even had scum in both the 3 and 4 slot? Of all those lynches, 50% of the 3/4-slot voters were scum. Compare this to the 25% of the town that's usually mafia and tell me it's not statistically significant. But stop telling me that because you were 5th on that lynch is the sole reason I think you're mafia -- it's only what made me look deeper into you. Illogical decisions. Poor arguments. Shameless bandwagoning. OMGUS. Lynching inactives instead of the suspicious. Contradicting yourself. Pretty much everything you've said has set pinged my scum radar in some way.

Can we lynch Jell now? Pretty please? I could go along with a Guyguy lynch, -I guess-, but MAN do I want to lynch Jell.

Well, the first of what CSD said should be true since otherwise DBX will contradict him unless they're both mafia, which seems unlikely.

I'm actually beginning to be suspicious of Silver,


How does this help us at all. If Silver isn't going to say anything or do anything other than flipfloping votes around then we cannot learn anything from her until she is dead. Also the vote flipping makes it look like she is trying to stay in league with the general consensus, but is always a moment behind the leaders...

Quirvy the reason you cannot judge me is because I haven't made any slips because there is nothing to slip on other than not revealing my (this time) non-incriminating ability. There is nothing I can say about any issue which can really make any kind of assurance that I am non-Mafia just as your walls of text haven't made me completely sure you're not mafia. I really don't know, but I don't want to continue the fight with plastic forks over insignificant details for completely innocent reasons.

Anyway before I post anything else there is something I need to observe.

I was referring to my inactivity. How was that not obvious?

I'm not thinking straight due to school, but I can still contribute a little, and the reason for my vote-flip is that I gave a re-read of DBX's explanations, and her last few posts kind of made me go against my previous vote. Actually, now that I think of it, that vote didn't make any sense. Going along with other people's theories is... well... dammit, I forgot! (Seriously, I forgot what I was going to say here. Please don't get me wrong.)

FoS: CSD
I think you're a little too determined to lynch Jell. I don't think the mafia would go for him just yet anyway, I mean he and a couple others are keeping this game alive with their long posts and theories. I'm not sure a real mafia actually would give out their desire to lynch someone actually. Also, CSD, you are being pretty defendant of DBX in my opinion. Isn't that a little suspicious? (Then again, me and a couple others are sticking up for Jell. I think I'm being a hypocrite here)

Oh god, now I don't know how to vote for DBX now. But I think she's already dead - what's the point?

OH GOD A LONG-ISH POST. MY BRAIN IS WORKING AGAIN! (Maybe)

Ok, maybe I should read things more carefully, but my point still stands and is exemplified by your change of vote again.

"Also, CSD, you are being pretty defendant of DBX in my opinion. Isn't that a little suspicious?"
What's suspicious of defending somebody you know to be town?

Also, Jell has been online for almost an hour and a half. I have a feeling he's typing some giant post that's going to completely rip me apart. Either that or he's working out whether or not that 3rd-4th vote thing is actually statistically significant. Show your work -- you lose 2 marks if you don't state the null and alternate hypotheses.

I am collecting data.

Oh so that's why CSD protects me...
(Isa never told me about that special ability)

One of these 3rd votes was against a fellow mafia member (day 4). One time, a mafia member decided not to vote when there were already two votes cast (day 5). In the first lynch, of the 2-5 voters only one was a mafia member, which equals to 25% percent compared to 23% the mafia took up at the time. The second lynch it was 50% of the scummy voters being mafia compared to 27% of everybody being mafia, which is high but with such a small population not at all extraordinary. Then the third lynch, 0% of the scummy voters being mafia compared  to 29% of the total town being mafia. Out of three lynches only one time were there more mafia scummy voters than expected, one time there were less and one time there were the expected amount.
Now, you have to realize just how few voters and mafia members there actually were. Just one additional mafia member voting in a scummy position increases the mafia participation by 25%. With such a small population, outliers are to be expected. And remember, we had outliers in both directions.
It is also a bit of a hasty generalization how you claim that because 50% of the 3rd and 4th voters last time were mafia,  both the 3rd and 4th voters are mafia this time. You even go as far as claiming that because last time of the 2nd-5th voters 23% were mafia members,  75% of the 2nd-5th voters this time are mafia members. It simply does not make any sense.


Never, in any of my posts, have I said anything close to resembling that. I have always addressed your points, such as me acting illogical, my vote being a bandwagon vote, voting for the inactive people.


As opposed to everybody else voting Bmwsu?

Who cares if some other people have done some of these things, I'm not talking about those people right now, I'm talking about you. You've done all of these things, and I expect you to know better.

And why is your vote still on DBX? Do you not believe me? If you're going to lynch either of us, it make more sense for it to be me, since then she'd be proven, but also so the mafia can start drowning. Or do you think my role PM is lying or that she has been recruited?


Alright, what else is going on.

Let's take stock. You already know I think it's Jell. Besides Jell, at present I'd be willing to lynch Silver, Guyguy, and Thomas. Silver because when her posts haven't been filler she's been wishy-washy (wild voting/unvoting), and twice now she's been in the 3-4 vote slots. Guyguy had that quick bandwagon with Jell, as well as overall his posts have been striking me funny. It's worth noting that Silver and Guyguy are both very young, so it's hard to say how much confidence you can really place in these types of reads. And Thomas, because I'm always willing to lynch Thomas. I'm keeping an eye on Jazz as well. He's barely contributed at all, and that "Mayor?" comment was some pretty random and pointless role speculation (which only serves to help the mafia). With the exception of DBX, of course everybody else is never far away from being on radar.

What have you guys got on your own personal scorecards?

Because it is a bit absurd that you are singling me out when most people, including you and DBX, are also guilty of all these things.

I actually intended to unvote DBX, but I forgot to do that in my previous post. She isn't a direct threat to me anymore.

Unvote: DeathBunni X

Well, there goes the only person you've been suspicious of so far. Who else are you suspicious of?

Vote/FoS count:

Votes:
2 - DeathBunni X (guyguyxtreme, Thomas)
1 - jellsprout (canadianstickdeath)

FoS'es:
3 - jellsprout (DeathBunni X, guyguyxtreme, Silver)
2 - canadianstickdeath (Thomas, Silver)
1 - Jazz (guyguyxtreme)
1 - Harumbai (Thomas)
1 - Silver (canadianstickdeath)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: May 27th, 2010, 11:59PM Interguild Time
That's in 3½ days, everyone, so if you know that you'll be gone during the next days, be sure to vote now.

I know that we've finally passed most (well, some) of the DBX/CSD vs. Jell stuff, but come on, CSD and you would both be mafia, and CSD would be the mafia leader.

Also you didn't have to reveal your role, CSD, I just wanted to know whether or not you knew for sure that DBX was a town. Before you were just doing a bad job of selling that you believed that she was not town.

Here's another question: Do you know that jell is mafia, because you seem to have convinced yourself that he is.

And yeah, I wanna hear who jell thinks is mafia. And while we're at it why doesn't everyone else tell us who they think is mafia too?

You already know my (weak) argument against jell, but silver's 'yessir' attitude and her lack of actually stuff in her posts makes me a tad suspicious. Quirvy seems very town to me, and so does CSD. Besides them, no one else posts enough for me to make any judgements.

I am still suspicious of CSD, but his role claim made me a bit doubtful of it. I was suspicious of Quirvy before this day started, but that has also changed by now. Besides you you two and DBX, I haven't really been able to form an opinion on anyone today. Most of them, such as Harumbai and Jazz, have either few or insignificant posts. Thomas has been away for most of the day. I dunno, I suppose we have been overshadowing this day a bit too much to actually get a good look at the others.

I see we've made a lot of progress today.

Okay guys, who do we lynch today?

Who is the most inactive?

I don't think we should lynch the most inactive. Some of them have (I forgot English a bit) there/they're reasons.

I would say 'lynch the most suspicious', but I still have no clue about who it is.

I guess CSD is a bit suspicious, but then again, everyone is.

Their.

"I am still suspicious of CSD"
Since the mafia is down by one member, then I would expect them to try their hardest to keep the remaining members alive, since they'd be pretty much screwed if they lost two members so early. It would make sense for me to defend her as I did if we were both mafia. If it were just me that's mafia (and it can't be just DBX -- if I die and flip town, she's proven, unless Isa was lying in my role PM or the mafia have the ability to recruit) then the mafia would have had to have been given the Water Tap Crate as a fake claim and Nebneb would have had to have spent his only detection on DBX. Not only does that sound unlikely (why would they detect DBX?), it can't see me as mafia wanting to attract this much attention, even if I were doing it to cause a free mislynch if I happen to die. So then, if we're both mafia, Isa would have had to have given us both the Water Tap and the Water Tap Crate as fake claims, but that honestly sounds too generous of the host to give two fake claims that fit together so nicely (but we shouldn't really try and predict what Isa has or hasn't done). The last scenario is that we weren't given one or both of those as claims, but I'm just taking a wild guess that nobody else here is using them, which doesn't seems right either, seeing as how that would be a huge risk, and I feel that I came forward before it would have been absolutely necessary. That said, if they were given only the Water Tap, it wouldn't be unreasonable of them to infer the absence of a Water Tap Crate, but still it seems like a risk that would have been better off avoided -- it looked like momentum for DBX's lynch might have been starting to stall. It is reasonable to still be suspicious of me, I guess, since there are still some scenarios where I could be mafia. That said I feel that most others should be considered more suspicious at this point, just based on the unlikelihood of those scenarios.

I'm remembering back to when Jell said something like "we lynched people for the right reasons and they still turned out to be town". From where I stood though, they weren't the right reasons. You lynched people because they did one or two scummy things. The problem with lynching people for doing obviously scummy things is that, even the scum know these things are scummy, so they won't do them. Now obviously if somebody is going around pretty-much only doing things that are scummy, then you'd have to look into that, but where the scum really hides, I feel, is in the people who are going out of their way to not do those scummy things. You know what can be seen as scummy? Starting a mislynch, or placing the final votes on a mislynch. Guess what scum will avoid doing? That's why I feel you'll most often find scum in the middle of a wagon (the exact vote-numbers depend on the number of people voting). You know what else can be seen scummy? Constantly changing your votes and opinions. So guess what scum will avoid doing? Look at people who don't change their votes or opinions even in the face of mounting evidence.

"Do you know that jell is mafia, because you seem to have convinced yourself that he is."
Unfortunately I don't actually "know" that Jell is mafia. But yes, at this point I am pretty much convinced.

"Okay guys, who do we lynch today?"
If not Jell, then I'd suggest Thomas, but he won't be back in time to defend himself. Maybe Jazz?

I don't think we should lynch Thomas. Not only is a bit unfair to lynch him now at a time when he can't defend himself, I seriously doubt he is mafia. He doesn't act suspicious or anything, and he is active enough to keep things interesting.

I most want to lynch CSD and DBX, but I doubt I can get enough support for that. But I do think we need to lynch someone. Jazz, Guyguy and Silver have all quiet today. They've made a few posts, but nothing they said really added to the discussion or helped to discover the mafia. They were mostly just repeating things already said or stating the obvious. They appear to be avoiding the spotlights the most.
Also, a special mention to Soccerboy. He has made a grand total of 2 posts this day, both of them contributing absolutely nothing. If there is anyone avoiding attention, it is him.

FoS: Jazz
FoS: Guyguyxtreme
Fos: Silver
FoS: Soccerboy13542

I am giving each of you the time to respond and to give your insights on who could or couldn't be Mafia. Give your insights mostly on the non-obvious people. I know CSD, DBX and myself are suspicious, we've had a lengthy discussion on that subject. It won't help us in any way if you simply repeat all that.
If you don't respond before tomorrow, there is a high chance I will vote for one of you.

If I die, it proves her, so you can take her off all your suspicion lists unless I die and flip scum.


I'll pick somebody, then:
Unvote, Vote: Guyguyxtreme

I chose Guyguy 'cause he was in the middle of Jell's list.

I am sorry but there is one thing about that vote CSD: It is stupid.

How am I meant to defend myself when there is nothing to defend against? You are behaving strangely. FoS in Silver for being third vote? Lynching Bmwsu with almost no evidence?

I don't really think a mafia would give a vote for as stupid reason as that (you are third on the list? WTF?), so I won't retaliate with an FoS or a Vote.

Extra Point: You think FoS's are meaningless, yet you place your vote based on them.