...so you're here again? It's part of your daily routine, isn't it. Very well. Welcome in.

I've slowly began to accept Hannah's fate. I think her chance of survival is very slim. I just received a new, very short letter...here, take a look. Please disregard the small splashes of water on it. I'm still in an emotional state.

...*sniff*

"Hey,

still Armin here. No idea where I am. Haven't found Hannah. Water has started to flow into the caves, won't stop. I'm trying to get out alive.

Bye"

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canadianstickdeath was "Water Tap Crate", CRATE aligned.

As "Water Tap Crate", you've been neglected and unknown, but thanks to the wonders of canadianstickdeath, your name is now known among the masses.



Due to your relation with the Water Tap, you are aware of the existence and identity of the Water Tap.

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Roster:
1. Jellsprout
2. Harumbai
3. Silver
4. Thomas
5. DeathBunni X
6. Quirvy

Former players:
1. Bmwsu, "Fuel Container", CRATE aligned - Lynched Day 1
2. Yaya, "Gem Crate", CRATE aligned - Killed Night 1
3. Nebnebben, "Hannah", PROTAGONIST aligned - Killed Night 1
4. Guyguyxtreme, "Protector of the Ice Caves", INDEPENDENTLY aligned - Lynched Day 2
5. Soccerboy13542, "????", ???? aligned - Killed Night 2
6. Jazz, "Life Crate", CRATE aligned - Lynched Day 3
7. canadianstickdeath, "Water Tap Crate", CRATE aligned - Killed Night 3

With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: June 20th, 2010, 11:59PM Interguild Time

The day will end without a lynch if a majority is not reached by this time.

Everyone who's still alive, please send me your role PM in a PM to me. I lost all the flavour text when my blog draft, with all the roles, was somehow deleted.

Mafia probably thought that CSD was lying about his and DBX's roles? Maybe they thought that they were switched or something?

Either way it is my personal opinion that we should probably lynch jellsprout, not just because CSD turns out to be town, but because I can only see jellsprout ordering a kill on CSD when CSD specifically told us to kill him instead of DBX if we were going to lynch one of the two. I feel like everyone else would have just assumed CSD was telling the truth, and killed DBX

I mean, obviously we'll have to discuss it, and even so, I dunno if we can successfully lynch someone as prominent as Jell, but I think he's definitely the most suspicious person as of right now, and he was even before CSD got killed. The offense that stuck in my mind was when I asked him for his opinion on who he suspected other than CSD and DBX, and he couldn't come up with anything. Jell is far too smart to come up with nothing as a town member.


But what do you guys make of all this?

Now this sucks. CSD was fun to have around and seemed to understand this game better than any of us. There are only 6 people alive now. If we lynch a Townie today and the Mafia kills another tonight, we lose. We must lynch a Mafia now and with CSD gone I am not sure who to go for now.

DBX is Townie. That much is certain now. That leaves Harumbai, Silver, Thomas, Quirvy and myself I suppose. Two of these must be Mafia. If we were to just lynch at random, that gives us only a 40% chance to win. We can wait for one more day, but I don't think there is anything to gain in that.

Again, and I can't stress this enough, if we lynch a Townie, we lose. We can't make any rushed lynches now.

Anti-ninja: Quirvy, CSD has been specifically targeting me since Day 2. If I were Mafia and wanted to save my own skin, I would have killed CSD Night 2. I admit I was very scared of him and my attack on DBX was purely to prevent me getting lynched. If I were Mafia, I would have taken him out there and then.
Furthermore, CSD being alive would only be beneficial for the Mafia now. DBX is confirmed to be Townie now. If anybody else, except for DBX, were killed instead, that means a random lynch would only have a 33% chance of killing a Mafia member. CSD was also suspicious, leading every lynch so far and killing nobody. He was a likely lynching target. The Mafia made a big mistake by killing him. I may be playing 'illogically' or something, but I wouldn't do something that stupid.

That's right. In the absence of canadianstickdeath, someone needs to step up, and I'm sorry guys, but I think it's gonna be me.

I'm making the jell accusations now.




Hey, now that I think about it, we should probably reveal our characters and roles since if we don't lynch tonight, we're done anyways. At this point I don't think we're going to win using night actions. I feel like we're going to gain more through revealing our roles and characters than we would otherwise. We already know who/what DBX is. But, how about the rest of us?

I'll wait for a few people to tell us theirs and then I'll tell you why I waited, and then you'll be disappointed because you were expecting something more interesting.

So you can wait to see which roles haven't been claimed yet and you don't accidentally claim the same role as a Townie perhaps?

My role is Canadianstickdeath, funnily enough. I was the original creator of these caves and have a Mayor role.

And again, don't rush into any votes. There are only 6 members left. If we mislynch today, we lose. If we correctly lynch today, but mislynch tomorrow, we still lose. That is what I'm trying to say here. Don't get too caught up in your own accusations that you become completely blind to everyone else. This is end-game and we can't afford to make any mistakes now.

Also, I'll go more in-depth on your post tomorrow Quirvy.

oh hey I forgot to respond to some of jell's post.

No you wouldn't. He had claimed that he was the water tap crate(oh look he actually is) and as the mafia you wouldn't take that chance with the protector still around. You kill him then and there, and he's telling the truth, you've got to kill the water tap the next day, and what happens if the tap crate is protected? You lost a night turn, and you maybe all die. No, you'd have to wait until after our heart crate died to kill CSD or DBX, because if CSD was lying and the roles were switched, you might not be able to get off the tap kill in time.

Protector dies, and why look at that, so does CSD.

But you do have a point, in that you wouldn't kill someone who suspects you if you were mafia. No, I'm just kidding. If you were mafia, then you'd think, "Hm, if I kill CSD, everyone will suspect me." Which is exactly why you would kill him, because people wouldn't think that you would kill him, because it would make you look really suspicious.

You make a decent point about it being a bad move but you forget that firstly, we're not going to lynch randomly, and secondly, that even though CSD was suspicious, nobody was going to lynch him or DBX and you know it. He hasn't been leading every lynch. Day 1, I'll give you, even though he didn't want to, he did lead the lynch. Day 2, he was the one to pick guyguy but it was my post that he didn't defend that did him in. Day 3 was the first to vote for jazz, but that was to put pressure on him. Nobody led the lynch as much as Jazz did by not even acknowledging posts that we attacking him.

Was he the first to vote on those lynches? Yes. Did that really mean anything? Not really.

Quirvy and Jell are on nebnebben's mafia list so let's lynch either Harumbai or Silver. Next time somebody who is more interested in the game should be a life crate...

Quirvy and Jell you don't like each other do you? Well I think you're both town.

Silver is also on nebneb's list.

I'm indifferent of him. I want to get the mafia, if he's mafia, I want to kill him, if he's not I don't. He's been acting shady so I've been more aggressive with him.

And what about you, Thomas? Role/character?

I am basically a vanilla townie and I need to post at least 5 times each day or I'll be modkilled. My character name is treasure chest.

I did say a few days ago that I wasn't happy with my role. I thought Isa gave me such a useless role thinking I would be lynched on the first day but all roles were randomly selected.

Quirvy, role/character?

I'm a wooden crate, the reason I held out was because I wanted to hear what THomas said he was first because on day one he said that he was a "wooden box", and when CSD later question him about it he claimed that he was only trying to say that he was a part of the crate alliance. I wanted to see if he'd mess up since no one called him out on it back then he might assume no one was a wooden crate, so he might say that he was a wooden crate. Unfortunately he went with treasure chest.

Anyways, my ability is to respawn. I can only do it once, and it has to be at night, and it can't be on the night I'm killed. Unlike Woodstock of last game, I choose when I get to respawn.

If you were to kill me(lynch) you wouldn't be given any description of my role, because apparently I'm not very noticeable.

I was kind of hoping they mafia would kill me tonight, so that they'd lose a night kill, but they unfortunately chose CSD instead.

So yeah, I have no night action.

I am the arrow crate. If someone targets me for a night kill then whoever I have selected that night will also die. I can also trigger this by committing suicide. Now that I have revealed this no one will kill be probably, but I could trigger it by suicide and hope that I hit the person carrying out the kill and maybe that would get them first?
On the other hand if I guess wrong then when I die as a result of a night action I may take another townie down with me.

Why would Jell be "CSD" if all the other people are crates? Just wondering...

Also Quirvy and Thomas: your roles seem pretty legit so I'm thinking Jell and Silver right now (Assuming CSD's role was not a red herring). Silver hasn't posted her role yet and Jell's seems purposefully vague.

I'm the water tap. I can't be killed at night, and since I'm confirmed townie today it's nice to know I'm safe .

The reason the mafia didn't kill CSD earlier is because they wanted to keep the action in the game. When Isa died last game, participation plummeted. But let's make sure that bomb doesn't go off this time, k?

And speaking of activity, where is Silver?

I'm actually not sold on Thomas' role. Treasure chest = you need to post 5 times each day or else you die? I mean, wooden crate = respawn is kinda weird too, so I guess it's possible, but I also consider that on day 2 he expect to not be able to post again because he'd be going away.



This was his 4th post of the day, not fifth. He followed it up with another post to correct a typo he made(CSD should be nebneb), but I don't by that he planned to make a typo so that he could sneak in a 5th post which means he's either really bad at counting, smarter than I think, or mafia. He was on for like 40 minutes before he made his post, and even then I had to poke him again to get him to tell us what his role was.

He eventually posted even more, but he didn't plan on when he left for his trip.


Additionally, soccerboy was complaining about his vanilla role(he said that it limited him and it was really annoying), I have a vanilla role, jell supposedly has a vanilla role, too. I don't think Isa would make that many vanilla roles. I think that either jell or Thomas is lying, perhaps both.

Isa reminded me the night before I went to Cuba that I needed to post 5 times or I would be modkilled so I posted a lot the next day but then I knew I wouldn't make it to 5 posts because the game had sort of died so my solution was to make another post correcting a mistake. I wasn't sure if Isa would count such a post but then I actually did find internet in Cuba so I knew I would not get modkilled. Before I went to Cuba, I learnt internet was banned there but now I believe it's only banned if you're a citizen of Cuba.

Okay I didn't reveal all my role before because I wasn't sure if this could help mafia but I am immune to night kills unless it's a mafia kill. I was trying to find this on that big role list but I couldn't. It must be a role though but I still feel like a vanilla townie.

So....
FoS: Jellsprout

This is verrrrrrry fishy. I'm pretty sure that Isa wouldn't interfere in the daytime play of the game, even if modkill is involved. Even if the game died, you could have sparked up some activity then.

How convenient, I'm immune to night kills too! That's pretty lopsided for a small game, is it not?

And besides all that... How in any world would

Treasure chest = Post 5 times and immune to all but mafia kills in the night? I'm calling a fake role...

FoS: Thomas

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but mod-kills only happen when you break the rules of the game, right? And mod-kills are when you as a person are removed from the game and replaced with someone else who won't break rules?

Well my apologies for having such a weird role guys.

Actually a steel dynamite crate would make a lot more sense than that... hmm...

Are you talking about my role? Hey DBX what is your role? I already know your water tap but what night actions, etc. do you have?

No night actions, nothing but immunity. Since CSD is dead now I probably have a new ability now, but I dunno for sure.

It's a mod-KILL. The character dies.

Look at the lynch on Day 1. We lynched a Protector that day. Apparently Isa created two Protectors, but nobody aside from Jazz knew there was a second one. This point is moot.
Killing CSD that early is also beneficial for the Mafia. Looking at CSD's role claim Day 2, it appears that everybody dies a few days after CSD died. That means that 2 days or so after CSD's death, we would have to lynch DBX or we would all die. That gives the Mafia two kills for the price of one and gives them a safeguard against lynching for a day.



DBX came dangerously close to being lynched Day 2 and CSD was losing more support with each non-Mafia lynch. So far only one Mafia member has been killed and that was thanks to Guyguy. CSD hadn't done anything to help the Townies except for starting the lynch against Guyguy, which the Mafia benefits as much from as the Townies.



I explained this before. My flavor text states that I created these caves. I can use my Cavemaker to halt a lynch.



You have completely missed my point. What I am trying to say is that we can't make any rushed decisions. One mistake now and it's Game Over.



You mean like how Silver attacked Harumbai previous game? Or how Nebnebben has put at least one Mafia member on his list? I am not buying it.



You do realize that everybody alive now was part of the vote rush for Bmwsu, with the exception of you and Harumbai? This argument applies to not only me, but also to Thomas, Silver and DBX, and I don't think that Isa has made a 5-member Mafia.
And next, lets look at how reliable the Day 1 suspicions actually were.

CSD suspected Nebnebben, Jazz and Yaya. 2/3 incorrect, 1/3 correct.
I suspected Nebnebben, CSD and Guyguy. 2/3 incorrect, 1/3 correct.
Quirvy suspected Jazz, Silver and CSD, as well as Yaya Independant. 3/4 incorrect, 1/4 unknown.
Yaya suspected CSD, Bmwsu and me, as well as DBX Independant. 3/4 incorrect, 1/4 unknown.
Thomas suspected me, Yaya, Nebnebben, DBX and Jazz. 3/5 incorrect, 1/5 correct, 1/5 unknown.

In the best case scenario, the correct suspicions are the expectation value of completely random choices. In the worst case, these are below the expectation value.

The only arguments that people have brought forth that originate from Day 1 is "You voted Bmwsu, so you must be Mafia!", which just happens to apply to at least 5 Townies as well. The suspicion game didn't really start until Day 2.



I realize that you haven't actually been in this been in this position and that you can't possibly understand what I was going through here. I was already with one foot in the grave. I had the almighty CSD aiming his entire arsenal directly at me and nobody but me. I had to focus all my attention on surviving. I couldn't afford to search for the Mafia or I would get lynched.
And also, CSD and DBX's crusade against me took up the entire attention of that day. It overshadowed everything that was going on. All anyone had to do was say "I agree" or "FoS: Jellsprout" and they were freed of any suspicions for the day. You say you had the time to form some concrete suspcions on who were Mafia and who was Independent. We have learned by now that your suspicions of Thomas, Guyguy, CSD and DBX were all incorrect. So reflect upon on yourself and try to see just how much you have actually learned those first two days.



On Day 3 I realized that we had learned absolutely nothing during the second day. One Mafia was killed by the Independent and the Independent was killed on a lucky lynch. The reason we learned absolutely nothing during the second day was because of CSD and DBX's crusade against me which allowed all the Mafia members to hide underneath a rock without being missed. So I forced them away from their rocks and got them to post more, so that we could actually gain any solid evidence against them. Instead of trying to blindly lynch people on shady and incomplete information, as you and CSD are apparently so keen on doing, I tried to directly force this information out of them first.

So what I got out of that long post is that

-You have to kill me in 2 days during the day
And
-Either Quirvy or Jell is mafia (their battles are too elaborate for them to be both, in my opinion)

And you have done to help the townies, exactly?

I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I was saying that even though I scratched off Thomas from the list early on, I don't think that it's safe to assume that he's town. You act like you're going responding to an argument saying that Thomas is innocent, when I actually say "too much of what he's done has been suspicious." and " I know Thomas is Thomas, but he's still ultra-suspicious."

Yeah, everyone with the exception of 40% of everyone...

But, I remain very suspicious of Silver and Thomas for that reason.

Thomas set it up by voting second for absolutely no valid reason(he was annoying me is not a valid reason), Silver blindly followed which isn't shocking by any means but is still suspicious, and DBX was just following CSD because she knew that he was town and wasn't misleading us.

Who would you say would be the four smartest people in this game? I'd say it'd probably be somewhere alongs the lines of You, CSD, me and Harumbai. I think that had harumbai gotten the chance to be involved in that lynch, he would have at least questioned it, although I can't say for sure that he wouldn't go right along with everyone else, I questioned it (although by that time it was too late because I was working on that unnecessarily long post), CSD would have questioned it(well, told everybody to stop) had he gotten there in time, and you on the other hand voted to lynch BMWSU because you didn't think that day 1 was that interesting and that you didn't think that his chance of survival was that good to begin with. I'll admit that it's not impossible for you to just make a bad decision, but you didn't even give bmwsu a chance to defend himself.

I'm not suspicious of you because you voted for Bm, I'm suspicious of you because I think that you're smart enough that you should have known back then that you shouldn't have voted for Bm in the manner that you did.


As for the list it's only an observation that seems to suggest that either you or Thomas or both is mafia. I'm talking more about the combination of posting before nebneb and having a mafia in your list than having a mafia in your list. The other two people I have my eyes on, Harumbai and Silver didn't even come up with a list.

Thomas was wrong, I'll admit that, guyguy was wrong, I'll admit that, but my "suspicion" of CSD and DBX being the mafia was just that. A feeling off to the side that they may be pulling something on us, but not a feeling held up by any evidence like Thomas and guyguy was, and as a result, this feeling, or suspicion as you call it, was never put forward with the intent of actually acting on it. I'm also suspicious of you, Thomas, Silver and Harumbai so I guess that the remaining mafia are me and DBX, right?

I didn't realize that by questioning a member and then voting for them when they avoid responding is blindly lynching people on shady and incomplete information. I put forth a long list of offenses against guyguy, and he hid from them, and as a result he got lynched, there was nothing lucky about guyguy getting lynched, he acted more suspicious than anyone else (except for Thomas). The same basic thing happened to Jazz when the pressure was put on him. What, should we not go after people who don't respond to our arguments? I guess that next time someone ignores an giant post about why we should lynch that person, we should just let them off the hook and go after people who actually are defending themselves, like you. That makes sense, right? (I'm not implying that we shouldn't go after people just because they provide a defense, just that your an idiot for calling our lynching blind. Bmwsu was a blindly lynched, guyguy and jazz were not)

So, I just wanna make sure that I'm getting this right, when CSD tried to pressure information out of Bmwsu and everyone misinterprets it as an attempt to lynch bmwsu, and almost everyone, including you, votes for Bmwsu and lynches him, that's me and CSD blindly lynching bmwsu without trying to force information out of him first?

When I presented guyguy with a long post explaining why he looks like mafia, and he was online hiding because he didn't want to respond to that post and he didn't want to be seen not responding to that post, that was me and CSD blindly lynching him without trying to force information out of him first?

And when CSD, Harumbai and I were trying to get jazz to explain his actions and he simply ignored all of us and avoided posting on the mafia topic, and we lynched him as a result, that's me and CSD blindly lynching him without trying to get information out of him first?

If only you could have done anything to give Bmwsu a fair chance by getting information out of him before you lynched him.
Oh wait, that's right, you voted to lynch him before he even had a chance to respond to CSD.

Well, I'm sure that if you were the one asking the questions, you would have tried to force information out of them, and guyguy wouldn't have hid from us, and jazz wouldn't have avoided posting, right?



Now that I'm finished criticizing that ridiculous claim, I'll agree that yesterday was a failure because we were blinded by jazz' refusal to cooperate, and that you're probably right in that if I was being pressured to defend myself, I wouldn't be able to focus on watching over everyone. We didn't get much out of day 2, I realized that you guys were only focusing on eachother, and that's why I tried to get you guys to stop going after eachother, along with that I didn't think any 3 of you were mafia at that time.



Also, it's not necessarily true that one of us is mafia, recall that Isa and Dando were both arguing at eachother last game, too. I still don't know what to think of jell.

Meanwhile, we're still waiting on silver's role/character.

To DBX:
-The game probably won't last longer than two more days. If we don't lynch a Mafia both today and tomorrow, they'll gain the majority. At that point they can simply kill you and they won't have to worry about getting lynched anymore.
-As Quirvy said in his previous post, there is still the possibility that neither of us is Mafia. There is even the possibility that Quirvy and I are both Mafia and that we are deliberately battling like this to ensure that one of us won't get lynched. We can't afford tunnelvision at this point. We need to consider every possibility.

To Quirvy: I feel that most of your post comes from a misunderstanding and probably most of mine did to, so I'll try explain myself as clear as possible.

I was kind of annoyed with Bmwsu not putting any attention in the Mafia game, especially after the final few days in the previous game. From my experiences the previous game I figured there was nothing I could do to prevent the lynch. This appears to be true, as Bmwsu had one vote more than required for the lynch. And especially with everybody focused on Bmwsu's lynch, I figured that we would learn more from that night's kills and other actions than by stretching the day. I didn't want to waste any more time so I hopped on the bandwagon. This was a mistake. I understand now that it is best to stretch the day to obtain as much information as possible. So I tried this the second and the third day. But instead of focusing all my attention on just one person, as CSD and you are doing, I tried to keep my options open first and I tried to get all the quiet players to speak up. It wasn't so much their opinions I was interested in but more in their reactions. That would give me a better idea on who to focus on.
And if you look at the second and third day, I avoided voting until the last moment. Instead I tried to convince them to explain and defend themselves. This is only the second time I'm playing this game and I'm still learning.

The second day was the biggest disaster of this game. With CSD focusing all his attention on forcing me to crack, me focusing all my attention on staying alive and you apparently focusing all your attention on keeping us both alive, there was nobody left to find the Mafia. We did manage to lynch the Independent, though I think that was more luck than wisdom. CSD first wanted to lynch Thomas but found it unfair because Thomas couldn't defend himself, so he suggested Jazz. He eventually picked Guyguy apparently "'cause he was in the middle of Jell's list".

About the "smartest people in the game" comment, I think DBX is at least as smart as Harumbai. And I don't think Harumbai would have waited with his vote either. During the second and third day he seemed just as eager to end the day as any of us. You shouldn't use this as evidence for him being Town.