Thomas, stop being such an idiot and actually use your head for once.










As you can see Isa didn't copy/paste my role list. He took inspiration and then created his own. Even the ones that do match, such as the Arrow Crate, have some variations between what I said and what Isa made them. For example, I said that the Arrow Crate should target only after getting killed. Isa made the role that the Arrow Crate should target every night and he made the Wooden Crate respawn only once at whatever time he wanted. It is very possible that Isa changed the Dynamite Crate to a more traditional role instead of what I originally suggested.
Furthermore, did I mention a Fuel Crate in that post? Did I mention the Protector of the Ice Caves in that post? Isa obviously created his own roles.

My list of potential Mafia?
-Thomas
-Silver/Yuggy

I am growing more certain of Thomas being Mafia with every post he makes. This is the most crucial part of the game. Every mistake we make now is lethal. Yet, despite there being a week left for this day, Thomas is trying to rush out a vote. This tells me that he is trying to prevent either himself or his fellow Mafia member from making a mistake this day. He wants to end this day early so we won't have the time to figure out who the Mafia actually are. That is as suspicious as you can get.

I have already stated my trust in Quirvy and DBX, so that leaves Silver/Yuggy and Harumbai. I am not certain who of these is Mafia. I feel that Silver has acted the most suspicious, but we have learned from the previous game that we can't dismiss Harumbai that easily either. If I had to choose right now I would choose to lynch Yuggy, but it isn't an easy choice.

Wow, I didn't realise that people would hold the last game against me so much. I agree with you about Thomas, he is really tripping over himself.

Now I think about it, his role is very strange. If it is true then Isa would have to check his posts each day to see if he had obeyed his role and I can't imagine him wanting to create such a time consuming role for himself. Also it does not add anything to the game, (eg. day 3 Thomas doesn't post enough and dies), it seems like an odd sort of playing m/god if that is what Isa chose.

Also my other choice for Mafia could be Silver/Yuggy as they were on that list of Neb's that Thomas said he thought was probably wrong. I think there is more truth in that statement than he would like to let on so it is either Silver/Yuggy or Jellsprout...

I specifically chose to wait until today to read your post.

You, sir, are an idiot, and I feel like I don't need to expand on that, but I guess I should elaborate on why you are so stupid regardless of whether or not you're mafia or town.

You're not so much stupid for saying that actual quote (although that was pretty stupid) as much as you are for trying to use it as your strongest defense. What is it telling me when you say, "If I was mafia, why would I say something as stupid as that?"? That if you were mafia, you'd be saying something as stupid as that so that you could use it to make an argument and say that a mafia wouldn't say something that stupid. Your entire defense is invalid. I can't tell whether you're really acting this stupid, or if you're only acting this stupid to make me think that you're so stupid that you're a townie that's setting yourself up for lynch again like last time you played this game.

I think you may just be reading my reactions to your posts, picking out the ones I thought were really bad and saying, "If I was mafia, I would never say something as dumb as this!"

So, what, being town lowers your IQ? I don't quite get this.

Yes.

I do think you know be stupid enough.

I was more thinking that you'd say that in case silver was a jack of all trades or whatever DBX was from the last game, and you were worried that she might have tried to kill you or something and she'd reveal it and then you'd get lynched, but what I failed to realize was that it actually matches up with your character. Unfortunately, it came after you revealed your role so it could be that your fellow teammate suggested you add that in there to make your role more legitimate.

BTW I did actually make a mistake with that accusation when I made it, I didn't consider that it actually made sense with your role. Unfortunately for you your role still sucks so badly that I still have a hard time believing that Isa would actually give it to someone.


Actually, it's pretty simple, just leave the treasure chest out of the game. Just because it's vital in hatpc doesn't mean it needs to be a role here if it's completely useless.

I don't know anything about the plausibility of this, but to humor you, the treasure chest is full of treasures, so every night the treasure chest would investigate someone but not get the results. When you "open up" the treasure chest, all of this "treasure"(results of investigations) comes out. If killed at night, only who kills you gets the results, if lynched, the results are given to the last non-mafia to vote for you(this is kept out of your death description).

Recall that roles don't have to actually exist on a list, as highlighted on the below quotes.


I'd say you looked. (of course you probably mean look for an alternative role)za

And what about my role, why don't I get something extra?

"Well I'm gonna be giving someone this role where he can't be killed at night by non-mafia, so let me spice things up for this person by forcing them to post 5 times each day, something they should be expected to do anyways"

I don't see the logic.

I don't think I'm going to do anything you suggest, because either you're really stupid or you're mafia.


I'm not going to respond to your other post because jellsprout did a good enough job of explaining why you're wrong.

Next Mafia game we should give the "at least 5 posts per day" restriction to Silver, Soccerboy and Bmwsu. Or simply give it to everyone.

OK my list of possible mafia is as follows:
Thomas
Harumbi
Jellsprout

Also people are accusing me of having a fake role because it doesn't match up to some sugestions of roles from Jellsprout. Also Thomas, yours doesn't match either so if you are town then you should know that its not a good enough reason to suspect me, unless you also suspect yourself.
I think the main point here is that we should not suspect people due to sugestions of roles, as they are not actual evidance.

To make this clearer I would be happy to lynch Thomas, but I could go with a lynch on Harumbi or Jellsprout as well.

Lol at "people" when there are only 5 other people left in the game.

And no, I accused you of having a fake role because your role doesn't have a night action.

Just because I don't have a night action is not really a good reason, as although I posted my role last due to being a replacement, many other people also have no night action, so why does it make me suspicious over them?
Also we can't make rushed decictions on who to lynch as that would probaly lead to a mafia win. Thomas with his sergestion based argument, and rushed vote on Jellsprout, could easily be a mafia trying to end the day early to lead to a mafia win.

Thoughts anyone?

I think the roles are evidence since it is hard to create convincing town like ones without some continuity errors. Thomas' role is not very well fitting so it makes him a possible mafia member. Your role is also slightly suspicious from my point of view as I am the only one who can confirm that I am the arrow crate, but given that your role seems quite similar.

Silver before was saying that she thought her role wasn't very useful. I'm still trying to decide whether that matches with the dynamite role.

You basically ignored everything that I said prior to my last post about you.

Do you remember this?


While it doesn't actually mean anything for sure, it's still a reason to be suspicious of you.



Also, Harumbai, yuggy's not saying that we shouldn't look at our roles, he's saying we shouldn't look at jellsprout's list of role suggestions as evidence.

Well it doesn't bug me if you think I'm mafia because guess what? I'm not, you are. I am not trying to rush a lynch, I just want you lynched Jell. I wish we did that on day 2 at the start but I wasn't suspicious of you back then. Here is a post where CSD made a vote 7 days before the day ends: http://www.interguild.org/members/forums/jump.php?to=1305436972 Guess what? CSD was town. Here's is a post by yourself where you voted 5 days before the mafia day ended: http://www.interguild.org/members/forums/jump.php?to=1306069234 This tells me that you are trying to prevent either yourself or your fellow Mafia member from making a mistake this day. You want to end this day early so we won't have the time to figure out who the Mafia actually are. That is as suspicious as you can get.

You say you want to lynch Yuggy because you don't want people to think you are the 2 linked mafia.

I have a new theory on nebnebben's mafia list assuming Jellsprout is mafia.
Nebnebben was on Jellsprout's mafia list/suspicious persons list so I think Nebnebben asked Jellsprout why he did that in the mafia forum then Jellsprout probably told nebnebben to do the same to reduce any suspicions, etc. If Jellsprout is mafia and had to make a suspicious persons list no doubt he would put at least one other mafia on the list. When nebnebben posted his list, keeping in mind what Jellsprout said to him would place Jellsprout at the top of the list because his top priority is to have a mafia on this list then he puts 2 town (Quirvy, Bwmsu) another mafia (Silver/Yuggy) then another town (me). It makes sense that he would spread the mafia out on the list because if I was in that position I would not make the list like: mafia, mafia, town, town, town OR town, town, town, mafia, mafia. If everybody who's alive on that list right now is town then it would mean the following people would be town:
- Jellsprout
- Quirvy
- Silver
- Thomas

And the remaining people would be the mafia team:
- Harumbai
- DeathBunni X

Because of DBX we know this is not possible so who is mafia then? Jellsprout and Silver/Yuggy. I am fully confident that Jell is the man to lynch. Quirvy, if I'm wrong you can suspend me from this site for 999 days/hours. Also if I'm found to be lying about my role you can permanently ban me.

Also, CSD really wanted to lynch Jellsprout so for CSD and the town let's all vote for Jellsprout... soon. I'm confident we have the right man.

There's this thing called posting without reading above posts.

My role sucks so much people don't believe it. How about you all tell Isa at the end of the game? That way you WILL have 100% proof it's a true role. Maybe Isa, thinking I would just get lynched on day 1 deliberately gave me the worst role of the game so town wouldn't lose hope/vital roles on the first day? Or maybe my luck with randomly chosen things really is this bad.

Redirecting message to Isa...

Damn, we really need Jellsprout outta here. Do it because of CSD then instead of me. In your first post today you said we should lynch Jellsprout. Did that change? Since there's only two options you gave me and I'm not mafia, I'll  have to go with 'really stupid' even though I'm not.

I'd be ecstatic to lynch you tomorrow and Jellsprout today. Also I doubt you would get enough support to lynch me this late in the game. I have taken many more risks today because it's a lynch or lose day and I don't expect to be lynched for being an annoyed/annoying townie (annoyed about Jazz, CSD, etc.) because the town, I hope would rather lynch mafia.

I'm too lazy to cross-examine that giant post, so here's a little 2 cents-


Just like CSD said: Early vote =/= early lynch. You know you can remove or change your vote, right? And that makes no sense... actually you proved he was town by comparing him to CSD... I think you're panicking.



Here we go again with the silver stuff. Well, silver isn't here anymore so get off your high horse, k? I detect panic in this part too.

So my choice for mafia is
-Thomas
-A toss-up between Silver/Yuggy and Jell

Thomas, you're not even trying to protect yourself, just avert attention. Very shrewd.

I am in no way proving Jellsprout as town. You are saying that whoever votes early in the day is town then? No way. I am just using this to prove Jellsprout wrong and it's also an example that he also did this.


I don't know how you got my name in that quote because I never posted this message. In case you did not know how to quote a message you click 'Quote' in the top right corner of the message. I will disregard what you said until you have corrected this error.

Sorry I'm bad at quoting people who already have quotes in them

So you still think I'm mafia and Silver isn't? Crap...

Quirvy I am still waiting for you to pwn me post.

I've read your posts, they're not particularly compelling, and I just get tired of doing the same thing over and over again.

I will say that if you turn out to be telling the truth, yeah I'd complain to Isa about it but it wouldn't really matter because we'd have already lost or won the game. And to be honest, if you are telling the truth, Isa is probably already regretting throwing that role into the list, since we're gaining so much suspicion on you because of the poor legitimacy of your alleged role.

Also I can already permanently ban you and I can suspend you indefinitely already. But if I did Isa would probably not be amused, because we still have to finish the game, and you'd need a replacement.

Well Quirvy are you interested in voting Jellsprout later today? Town are more likely to follow you and vote than to follow me and we should lynch today.

Way too early to tell. You sure are jumping the gun early, aren't you? We're not even half way through the day yet and you're already asking people who they want to vote for? Right now you're looking like a very good candidate, and so is jell, but we still have 5-6 days left to make the decision of who our best bet is. I feel like I've been doing a lot of talking since day 2 so for now I'm taking a little break from all the giant posts and just watching and trying to figure out who the hell I should lynch at the end of the day, which I think is a pretty tough decision at this moment.


One thing I will say is that we should have lynched you much earlier in the game so that we wouldn't be in this dilemma where Thomas acts like he's mafia, but at the same time he always does so is he really? Anyways, if I do end up not lynching you, and we lynch a town, and you turn out to be mafia, and you start bragging about how you fooled all of us similar to how you bragged about supposedly knowing that silver was mafia, I will gladly accept your offer to be suspended for 999 days.

Do not fear, fellow crates! I am here to only do good!

My above post is not going to continue any discussion so I am posting to ask people to post here. So Jell try to pwn me now!

Quirvy, Isa actually interupted to say the day starting had nothing to do with anything, but he just had to catch up with homework.

^ Random post? So Yuggy, what do you think about Jellsprout?

He's definately suspicious, and I have already said I would go with a lynch on him, if there isn't a more obvious option.

That's not what I read .