Here, although Thomas digs a bigger hole for himself, you are no longer suspicious. Now I would go for Thomas or Jellsprout.

What's everyone else's opinion?

CSD made it very clear in that post that his intention wasn't to lynch me but to force me to defend myself and make mistakes. He even said that people shouldn't vote for me yet. Your intention is the complete opposite. You are not interested at all in what I have to say, you simply want to lynch me and end this day as fast as possible.



I have already admitted that this was a mistake. I have tried to make up for it the following days by not immediately voting but instead trying to get them to speak up and defend themselves. That is something you've never done. All three days so far you've hopped on the bandwagon without giving the person voted on any chance to defend himself.



Wouldn't it make sense for the third Mafia member to also put up a list then? The only people who posted a list after me besides Nebnebben were Quirvy, Yaya and you. Unless you still believe that Quirvy is Mafia, that would only leave you as possible third Mafia member.



CSD had suggested three days in a row that we lynch you. If you hadn't gone to Cuba, this probably would have happened.







Don't do it for me. Do it for the late CSD.

I'm actually agreed and I know it's early, but I'm so sick of going around Thomas arguments over and over again I'm going to vote for him now incase I forget later how strongly I feel right now. I am happy to stick around and watch the conversation, but I don't think my view will change any time soon.

Vote: Thomas

This is serious Thomas so maybe instead of pretending it's obvious you're town you should actually conjure up some evidence or something and stop constantly and very conspicuously trying to incriminate other people. (Yes I know that sentence scans very badly)

Vote/FoS count:

Votes:
1 - Jellsprout (Thomas)
1 - Thomas (Harumbai)

FoS'es:
2 - Jellsprout (Thomas, Harumbai)
2 - Thomas (DeathBunni X, Harumbai)
1 - Harumbai (DeathBunni X)
2 - Yuggy (Harumbai, Thomas)

With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
Deadline for the day phase: June 20th, 2011, 11:59PM Interguild Time

I agree with Harumbi, Its time to replace Thomas' hole digging shovel for a big yellow construction digger. For the same reasons as Harumbi I think Thomas is our best bet.

Vote: Thomas

No he said that when he asked if we wanted the flavor sooner with lower quality or later with better quality, it had nothing to do with people not getting their night actions in on time, and was more related to him being busy IRL. Or at least that's the way I interpreted it. He can't tell us whether or not the night ended early or at its scheduled time, and we can't know, we can only speculate, and as a neutral party he also cannot tell us whether his homework was the cause of him taking until Thursday to mention mafia again, or if a lack of someone's night actions was.

Every time I see you responding to one of my posts it's some flawed defense. You just voted for Thomas really fast, despite that I said in previous posts that we have plenty of time? You trying to get a really fast mislynch going here?

I want to vote for Thomas just in case he is mafia and I don't want to suffer the consequences of him bragging about it. But I actually don't think he is mafia at this moment.

Harumbai, you should unvote as soon as possible.

I initially thought that there were only 5 people left because I wasn't focusing on DBX as well, so I thought for a second that we only needed 3 votes to lynch. You don't need to unvote Thomas, but I still would suggest you do so. That second vote against him came very quick and leaves me very suspicious of yuggy.

We should not vote yet. We still have 5 days left and Thomas hasn't had the chance yet to respond after the first vote.

Actually yeah I definitely voted too soon, I just agreed that if we lynched now it should be Thomas. Also I didn't know there was still 5 days left I thought it was more like 2 or 3? Anyway if there is still 5 days left I will:
Unvote: Thomas

Thomas' hole still looks a bit like this at the moment though:

Actually, more like this:

http://www.jaswin.net/pit.html

That is one deep hole. Shall we be kind and swap his construction digger for a drill now he has hit stone?

Thomas has been making tons of stupid mistakes today. You know who else has made glaring mistakes? Bmwsu, guyguy and Jazz, and none of them turned out to be mafia. You know who hasn't made glaring mistakes? The mafia. Don't assume that just because everything he says is stupid, that he's mafia.

You say that Thomas has dug himself a hole. That implies that he's going to have to climb out of it otherwise he'll be lynched. You think Thomas is really capable of defending himself properly? He sucks at it, he sucked at it last game, if he's town now, he'll suck at it again. Actually he's kind of already sucked at it.

You cannot trust Thomas on anything. He'll look like a bad guy no matter what, so you've got to be sure that he's mafia before you lynch him for acting like one, because he could just be another bmwsu or jazz, who doesn't know how to play the game. I'm not saying that he isn't mafia, but you guys appear to be too narrow minded right now. All of you look to be focusing only on Thomas.

Okay, so right now Harumbai, Yuggy and Jell all want to lynch Thomas. I want all of you to answer this question: Who do you think his partner is and why do you think so?


Also Yuggy, a picture of a big hole doesn't make you look any less bad for that vote.

My other mafia suspects are Silver/Yuggy or Jell. The most suspicious part about thomas is his fishy role though.

Maybe we have been pushing too hard against Thomas. Are you saying that we should lynch the people who haven't made glaring mistakes? True the people that have so far have all been town apart from a Independent. However we do probably have a higher chance of lynching a townie for non glaring mistakes.

Also the hole was not supposed to make me any less bad, I know that vote was stupid and that is why I unvoted.

No, I'm saying that you shouldn't be so narrow minded. Maybe Thomas is our best option, but if he's not then you sure aren't going to find it because you're all focused on him.

BTW you didn't tell me who you thought Thomas' partner is.

Guyguy has turned out to be the Serial Killer. And previous game Harumbai made a pretty glaring mistake that somehow went over everyone's head.

My other suspect at the moment is Yuggy/Silver, though I'm still keeping my eye on Harumbai. Yuggy has been acting fishy ever since he took over Silver's role and Silver had been avoiding this game whenever things got heated.

Possibly Jellsprout, but maybe Harumbi.
I think these people are definitely town though:
Yuggy
DBX
Quirvy

Which leaves
Not sure yet:
Harumbi

Mafia:
Thomas
Jellsprout

This is only a suspicion really, and my mind could be changed but at the moment this is how it stands.
Anyway whoever we lynch, we definitely should wait.

Guyguy didn't have any teammates. He had a solo strategy. The mafia is a group of people collaborating on how to not get detected.

Harumbai's mistake was pretty bad, though. But I don't think we've caught a major mistake by a mafia yet.


As Thomas' partner or as someone else who might be mafia? Because I'd tend to disagree with Yuggy being Thomas' partner with the way that he wanted to lynch him so fast and all.




But why would jellsprout be Thomas' partner? What tells you that he looks good for it?

Not sure but they seem the most suspicious. However actually whoever is Thomas' partner is doing a good cover up as Harumbi and Jellsprout and obviously myself, all have expressed a want to get him lynched. In my mind I will change my list to either Harumbi or Jellsprout being Thomas' partner, but neither of them make it clear.

Two reasons why that is possible. It is possible that Yuggy thought we only needed 3 votes for a lynch. Harumbai had already voted for Thomas and both me and DBX seemed willing to lynch Thomas. It could be that Yuggy thought Thomas was already doomed and by voting for him he could remove all suspicions from himself. Like how Harumbai was the third voter for Soccerboy previous game. That is at least what I would do if I were Mafia and my fellow Mafia member was risking a lynch.

Second, remember that we need to lynch Mafia twice in a row now. If we lynch a Mafia today but a Townie tomorrow, the Mafia could still hold 50% of the town if nothing goes wrong for them with the night actions. By being one of the driving forces behind Thomas's lynch nobody would make Yuggy their primary suspect and nobody will think of lynching him tomorrow.

Which is exactly why if I would have to guess who his partner is(if he's even mafia, he might not be), I would go with you. You're a smart man. If you were mafia you'd know that you only don't need to get lynched today and tomorrow. Both of you want to lynch eachother. Thomas gets lynched, and turns out to be mafia, not only were you one of the first people to suggest we should lynch Thomas, but Thomas was trying to get you lynched, and as a result you suddenly look innocent. If by some miracle we lynch you instead of Thomas, your only remaining man looks clean because he was the only one consistently trying to get you lynched, and because you were going after him like you did DBX.

If we do lynch Thomas, Jell would be a possible partner. It might be good to base it on peoples reactions, or at least consider them to help show who is his partner in crime. I think that we could get clues out of responses to Thomas lynch.

Anyone else agree?

My top people in the mafia would be -
1. Thomas
2. Jell
3. (Almost tied w/2) Yuggy/Silver

I agree with this (apart from the bit about me) this would be my list as well

^ Swing and miss. As I already stated, I am town aligned. If we don't lynch Jellsprout or Yuggy today and we lose then I'll never shutup about this.

I'm bad at defending but good at knowing who's town and who's mafia. So keep defending me Quirvy.

There was a mafia mistake here. Yuggy, it's suspicious how fast you jumped on the bandwagon and vote for me. Harumbai's post wasn't even convincing at all. This tells me that you are trying to prevent either yourself or your fellow Mafia member from making a mistake this day. You want to end this day early so we won't have the time to figure out who the Mafia actually are. That is as suspicious as you can get. Furthermore, when I make the first vote you don't vote next because Jellsprout is mafia but when somebody votes for me, a townie you jump in way too early, and for bad reasons.

@Yuggy

I have a question for you.

Why do you think Jellsprout is suspicious? There must be reason you said he was suspicious. Is it because he's your mafia partner or is there a valid reason you said that? When you FoSed me you provided information as to why you did but then in a later post you said you were suspicious of Jellsprout without any information.