Quirvy, the next part of your post is very WIFOMish, you shouldn't be counting on stuff like that till more into the game.short post eh? XD

anyway - I tend to agree with harumbai more than with Q. thomas has already played aggressively; and with what we remember, him being lynched might very well happen anytime in the future even with 'angry' votes.

I disagree with the claim about quirvy tho - he's still null.lol @ this. what lynch, what wagon; there's a maximum of 2 votes per person here, we need 7 for a lynch, that's not even nearing being nearing a lynch. we needed(still need) to get this game more going, and bandwagons appear to be one good way to do it, lol.

will comment about all the votes stuff in a sec

eh well. in the Create Your Own Role game I've just finished(and lost ) there was an apathetic - could not vote or be voted. and the mod counted his votes and the votes on him once, and so he kept counting it through the rest of the game, and it just didn't matter. too bad, I counted on doing stuff like "oh I'm in L-1?? well take THAT huns, I'm unlynchable! *selfvote* "...and then the players won't understand what happens, and mafia will be stumpled XDD oh well. maybe now I won't get NKed tho, since one less voter is good for the bad guys =\

well, I guess you guys would have figured it out anyway when I'd have unvoted at times and stuff.

what good can we have from all this: now you know that as long as I am alive, the lylo is coming earlier. if we are 12, then there are probably 3 or less mafioso. could be two teams of 2, but that doesn't matter yet. we can figure it out after night, we'll see~ anyway - if there are 3, then lylo is 7 players; but with me alive, 9 players is lylo already, since if we mislynch and they kill, town can only cast 3 votes.

in other words -  I will probably last to endgame ...although that might not be a good thing...

UnFoS: Shos

Well, Isa pretty much proved your claim. I severly doubt a mafioso would be unvotable.

well yes this should clear me, but it once again steals a vote from the town, so I'm out of danger zone >_>

Huh. Well, I'm gonna test this just to make sure and
Unvote
Vote: Shos

What area from the Interguild did you pick?

He probably picked dando52. That user is karma locked and karma banned. By the way I haven't really read much up to this point yet but it looks like shos can be voted or something.

Also, I think that Soccer likely an alien toast monster. Keep your jelly away from him. And also your peanut butter. If you happen to let one or the other near him, make extra sure the remaining one is under lock and key and water and guard by a laser canon.

Is it possible that shos could be a one-time unvotable mafioso? And then this would be a ploy to get town cred for the rest of the game? I think we test him to make sure, this round and immediately next round.

NINJA'D
He can't be voted, that's what it looks like at least.  And that role makes sense. I still want to test it, though.

Can you guys tone down the crazy mafia abbreviations when you're talking to me. The only one I know is OMGUS, so when you spew random letters like "WIFOMish" I have no clue what you're talking about, and I doubt I'm the only one here who is going to be confused by it. In the future could you just explain what you're talking about instead of throwing out terms that not everyone is going to know? Kind of like what you guys did in game 1 and maybe even 2, if I recall correctly?

If you're implying that this is too early for mafia to think about how they need to act, I disagree; I'd think at every moment in the game, they have to think about what they say and how they act, and that includes day 1.


I suppose that at least Jazz is more active than rocket guy2, but I'm still not happy about contribution level, but I guess that it would be unreasonable to expect a game to be held on the IG, and for all of the players to be active. Has that ever happened in the mafia games?


Also, I see that shos basically stated his role, that he can't vote or be voted on. Well, that's unfortunate, because now the mafia know precisely who to not nightkill. But at least now we can rule shos out as someone who we might consider lynching, which doesn't change much since we couldn't lynch him anyways...

I think it's funny looking back at it that jell specifically called out shos for having not voted

I guess that even though there are only 11 voters, we still need 7 for a lynch? I think that's stupid, but I guess I can understand it, since Isa can't officially acknowledge that one of the players can't vote.

Yeah, the voting machines are dumb like that.

Anyways, if this shos thing turns out right, then a townie with a kill ability should hit shos ASAP. Even if he isn't town, he hurts the town. Might as well de-handicap if possible.

I will not tell you what I messaged Isa. and no, I cannot be voted.
an unlynchable mafioso seems way too much for me. I haven't seen anything like that in MS at least. This might be possible if there are vigs of course, but I doubt that.

I have a funny idea, just since you mentioned that topic: how bout we all tell which of the three things we sent isa was NOT taken? that could provide us with some info about what roles may or may not be in the game.

Isa - is it okay to say 'dando52' for example, supposing I sent it to you beforehand, and you did not pick it?

ah, ninja'd by two posts, second

ah quirvy, I figured that wifom is basic enough that anyone will know it.

WIFOM="wine in front of me", or in other words, it's not an abbreviation for anything, it's just an idea. jell can tell you all about that wine story from which it originated, but in short, it's 50-50, lol.

about the fact that you mentioned about jell poking me for not voting - that was indeed the reason at first..


the lynching threshold is still 7, yes.

@sniper: UNMEANINGFULL VOTE: SNIPER
are you kidding me? having an extra townie dead will not help town in ANY way. even if we are in 9 players mylo(yah btw, I made a mistake, 9 is mylo not lylo), having me dead would be 8 players and still mylo. killing a conftown can never be good. and in addition you will let the mafia know that there is a town vig; and waste a vig shot if we have an X-shot vig.

definitely a scumslip, imo

there is only one case actually where it can be good: if we already ARE in a 3-scum 5-town and 1 of them is me; in that case, if 4 townies are voting scum, then and only then dayvig should vig me to get lynch threshold lower AT DAY.

ahh, here's the problem. i'm allergic to peanut butter. are you using reverse psychology to try and kill me?

FoS: Sniper



Why would this be good? Shos seems pretty knowledgeable of the game... i'm fairly convinced he's town.
You don't really lie about a power role like that. Especially on D1.
no WIFOM. it's just something you don't do.

The more I think about your role, the less purposful it seems, Shos. I mean, you're only as good as your word, and that can only go so far. You can't even save or hammer somebody with a vote.
NINJA'D
You do know we're out of the RVS, right?

Sorry for the confusion. That was meant to go with the bottom part of the post.

lol, I didn't send Isa 3 potential roles, I sent him 25 possible roles, and had him come up with a way to choose which one I was going to be. I'm not going to list all of those until the game is over, but I could list the first 3 on the list, if you really wanted me to.

But I don't think that would really benefit us much.


As for questions surrounding shos' role, I'd assume he's town, because if he wasn't, there wouldn't be much we could do about it since we kind of can't vote to lynch him. Maybe we test sniper's theory tomorrow, since it's harmless, but in the mean time we can't lynch shos, so there's not much point in doubting what he says about his own role. Feel free to doubt what he says about other people though, as you should for everyone, regardless of whether or not you know that they're town.

And I agree that sniper's suggestion is questionable. You'd have to think about that for a while to come to a conclusion about whether or not that's a good idea, and he clearly didn't take to long to think very strongly that it's a good idea. If you're mafia, you definitely wouldn't mind a town killing another town, even if it might decrease the number of votes required for a lynch.

25? are you mad? anyway...I still think that knowing what stuff we don't have could be useful..

about sniper - I'm pretty sure it's a scumslip. think about it - he said both that I can be a one-day-stump AND to shoot me ASAP.

also, 'even if he isn't town'? wut?

That was the point I was making, I wasn't doing some sneaky self fulfilling condition of not being scum, I was pointing out that it is easy to become too comfortable with people who post intelligently and that people should not exclude them from their calculations, I don't see the problem in saying this.

What is wrong with you guys? Basic math tells us that killing shos is a good idea. The odds of hitting a mafioso without knowledge is quite low, meaning the odds of hitting a townie are quite high. So why not remove an anti-town role?

Also, Soccer, are you admitting to being an alien toast monster?

Also, FoS: Shos
Yes, lets all post what our roles are. Great idea. Especially after you said you wouldn't even tell me the name you gave, after you told us what you role is.
And how about FoS: Quirvy
Because you're smart enough to know that killing anti-town roles is better than killing unknows. What if the vig misses and kills the doctor? Or the cop? Or any useful power role?

This is a way bigger scum slip than suggesting removing an anti-town player quickly. You want the mafia to know what we can and can't do? How long have you been playing? And when has mass roleclaiming D-1 ever been a pro-town suggestion?

sniper, have you even read my post? I said to say the roles that were NOT chosen to the roaster.
and when did killing a townie become good all of a sudden? are you really going to waste a vig-shot on a conftown, just to prevent him making a mistake??

hey Isa can I FoS? XD

FoS: Sniper lol


..basic math doesn't tell us to kill townies and waste power roles. basic math tell us that if we lynch, we should lynch someone who has a chance being scum.

Sniper, in calling for a vigilante to kill shos you're making 2 assumptions

1. There is a vigilante
2. Shos has told us all there is to know about his role

I don't know much about mafia roles, but shos' role looks pretty useless, so I personally wouldn't be surprised if Isa did something to make up for his votelessness.

I haven't yet reached a conclusion that I'm sure about, which is why I'm surprised that you just looked at shos and so easily came to the conclusion that he must die if possible. It's likely that the mafia only have 2 players here, so I'm not entirely convinced that the loss of shos' vote is that big of a deal at this point. It might be later on, but for now, we probably have 8 or 9 voters who want to lynch a mafia today, and mafia probably only has 2 votes.

And I also think it might be best to not further interrogate shos about his role; we don't want the mafia to know whether or not he has a useful role.

Anyways, this said, I think that shos is missing the reason for why we would want him dead. Going on the assumption of 2 mafia:
Consider that we mislynch today, and the mafia kills tonight. There would be 7 non-mafia voters, and we would need 6 votes to lynch someone.
If there's a serial killer or vigilante, and they kill you, then we have the same number of non-mafia votes, but we only need 5 votes to lynch, making it easier for us to get a lynch on the mafia.

Well, people, what do you think. Would we be better of with or without shos?

He is dead-weight, but I'd definitely try to find a possible scum to lynch before killing a most likely confirmed townie. He won't be a problem unless we go like 2-3 days of mislynching, IMO.