Oh yeah I was aggressive at the start of the game because I was mad at Quirvy with all his sarcasm and stuff. I was also pretty annoyed with that post where he FoSed every player but I don't think I commented on that.

what do you mean?

@shos, if Person A says something weird, Person B might ask if their role required him to do that. Is person A allowed to answer?

That honestly does not seem like a good strategy...
Whatevs. My take on the Shos predicament:
Shos seems very Town to me. It seems very unfair that a Mafia player would be un-lynchable.

I don't really believe what Shos claims to be. I mean, I don't really think that Isa would be a Bastard (thanks Thomas for the terminology)

@Jazz Just because Isa made Shos un-lynchable, Doesn't mean he's necessarily a "Bastard" He could have just done it to see how the game goes

No, look up Thomas' terminology on mafiawiki.

I'm not insulting him.

Yeah I saw it. It could just have been a test to see what happens though

Shos, no, that is not exactly what you talked about. Let me quote you:

"you just named more than half the people in the game and said they should be lynched" =/= "you want to lynch one of these seven"
And additionally you didn't talk about it, you just mentioned it (incorrectly, might I add), said that we really can't do anything (what does that even mean?) and then moved on. That's not talking about me wanting the lynched person to be one of those 7 people.

I'm trying to not explode out of anger, but your posts are really annoying to me. I'm narrowing a list down, that way I don't focus on as many people. I guess that you think that's completely useless. Cool. That's your opinion. Moving on.


I wasn't talking about an L-1 scenario, but just in general. 4 of 5 townies would happily lynch this one guy who turns out to be mafia, and a few of them start putting the pressure on him, but then 2 others think he's innocent, and they look elsewhere and find out that one of the town members looks suspicious, and only 1 other guy thinks that he's innocent, and they assume that it must be the other mafia, so they mislynch. If you think that the extra vote that you account for would hardly have any effect at all, YOU are being naive.


The vig or whatever wouldn't be wasting it on you if he was using it to allow for votes requiring one less lynch like I previously explained but is apparently just me being naive. How is it wasting a kill, if it accomplishes some goal? Do you think we want to kill you just for the hell of it? And additionally, haven't 2-4 people already said that your role doesn't confirm your alignment? You're parading around about how you're such confirmed town and it would be so stupid to kill you, meanwhile...


So are you suggesting that the vig just shoot at someone that he's suspicious of? What if that person turns out to have a powerful role? The risks are very high if you're a vig who chooses to do a night kill, if you get it wrong then it's a big blow to the town.

And additionally, there's a good chance one of the mafia is immune to night kills, which makes it even less likely that a vig killing a suspect would end up doing anything good.


I'm not sure that I actually want shos to answer any of these questions because I'm tired of responding to his posts. Can anybody other than shos interact with me? I'm tired of shos brushing off the things I have to say as being "completely useless" and me being naive.

Given that Shos' role is more or less that of a voteless, Isa is by definition a Bastard mod. And if he was just doing it to see what happens, he would still be a bastard mod because:

of course, as long as you don't quote the mod. but he doesn't have to answer, lol O_o

I'm not sure what you're saying here, you think that I am scum and therefore you don't believe my claim because you don't think isa would make scumunlynchable? O__o

*sigh* you should seriously start playing as a human being and not a robot, lol. did you really think that I think you want to have ALL 7 people lynched??? come on man ><
but that is exactly the point!! what you're trying to do iss to narrow the list down, yes, that is a lovely technique and everybody uses that, it is called PROCESS OF ELIMINATION(PoE for future reference). but reduciing the list from 13 to 8 is not even remotely close to being helpful in any way, at all.

nnnope. I cannot see where I am wrong. of course if people convince others to vote someone else there will be a mislynch. that extra vote needed to lynch will have an effect, but nearing deadline, people WILL compromise. scum can't just say 'of course I prefer a NL' and not vote, you know.


if a vig is an X-shot, then yes, he is wasting it. example: dando is a 1-shot-vig and suspects csd, who is indeed scum. instead, she shoots shos, which she already considered town, but taking out that role is good anyway. Oh boy! that's just prevented a scumkill, provoked a townkill, AND removd one PR for town! but now we can lynch easier, so who cares? -_-

about the me not-being-conftown, you should start thinking again. an unlynchable mafia is so extremely rare that not I, or jell, or thomas has ever seen it happen. sure, it exists, but you know what else exists? practically anything you can think of. even a mafia cop in large games. so if you want to base your play on the fact that MS wiki says it might belong to scum, go ahead. but there you go, open dear google and search through the thousands of games over in any mafia site you can find. if you can find an unlynchable mafia in more than 1% of the cases, I'll lynch myself the moment day 3 starts.

lol, yaeh, that happens in most of the cases. in the game I am playing now, someone claims to have vigshot the deadguy which was a town dreamer. link: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=4037971#p4037971


a good chance? hmm? do you have some information to share with us..? a bulletproof mafia is definitely rare, as far as I know.


+1 to that, activity must start with people other than us

long wall is long

Socceryboy, I don't think Rocketboy not screwing up doesn't mean he wasn't mafia. I think he just didn't understand the concept period. Maybe the reason there's been so few wagons and scum-slipping is that Rocketboy was mafia and since he was never on, it was harder for scum to coordinate a mislynch? That's just a theory, though, that's not even going off anything Jorster has done.

I'm pretty sure in almost every game on this site, the Godfather or whatever role is mafia head has had to die through a lynch. I'm not sure if it's been every one, but it's been quite a games. Check Harumbai in the 1st game for a definite example.

Weren't there NK proof mafias in both of the first two mafia games? I know that there was in the one that I played. If jellsprout wasn't NK proof, then Harumbai would have killed him at night and it would have been me, DBX and Yuggy/jell in a final day in which the town would have prevailed. But instead Harumbai's kill didn't work, so we lost.

I'll admit I did make a logic error on my description of the importance of that extra vote, but other than that I'm just not going to respond to anything you said because I legitimately find your attitude in general extremely annoying and would prefer to not frustrate myself further by continuing that conversation with you. There are lots of things that I could say in response, but I won't.

eh well I never read the first 2 games here so...meh..i'm talking from my experience on MS, and from games I've read there.
isn't godfather's power the fact that if a cop checks him, he looks town?

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what attitude? am I not allowed to be sarcastic too? only you get to use that one.?
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either way, I think you should post what you think, since this discussion is not here just to spam the topic.

Can someone explain what a Garden Gnome mod is? I looked through the recent pages and couldn't find a clear definition, and there's nothing on MS Wiki about it to my knowledge. I'm guessing it's similar to a bastard mod.

Bastard without the capital B is censored to bastard

You bastard!
(LOL, I'm not really contributing right now..)

Lol, that explains the redundancy I've now noticed in my last post. I'll try and stick to the censored version from now on.

Oh ok. I've been really confused by the whole "Garden Gnome" thing

We shouldn't go in depth in why I don't like the general way your playing right now, but since you're asking me, I'll comply(the rest of you guys can skip this, because it doesn't contain anything important to scum hunting and is really just a distraction):

For starters, I'm very unfond of this exchange:



How is that sarcasm? That's not sarcasm. So you were sarcastically misunderstanding what I typed, sarcastically lying about what your previous post had contained, and then finally revealing to me that you were just kidding the entire time? Why would you even sarcastically misunderstand that in the first place? I don't buy that it's sarcasm, I think that you were legitimately confused, just like you legitimately thought that jell thought that you were scum when he said that you were a null read. I think that you might not be reading posts as closely as you should. I feel like you're too dismissive of me, and that every time I think something that you don't agree with, I'm just being "naive." Similarly, you dismissed my list as being "completely useless" without giving any explanation as for why. I feel like every time I provide an argument, you misunderstand what I'm talking about. I say that you're parading yourself around as clearly confirmed town when there are people who think otherwise, and you're saying that I should reconsider my view when I haven't even stated it. I didn't say that I thought you were or were not confirmed town, I was stating that others didn't think you were, and that it's silly of you to use that as an argument when you clearly don't people convinced. I didn't like it when you just brushed off your early weird behaviors as "oh, well that was just the RVS." I didn't like it when you ignored yaya's big post in favor of "moar votes on yaya plox" because you were curious to see how he reacted. If I was yaya I would be extremely annoyed by that move. As far as I can tell, you're basing your argument for why your role is town on a sample size of one, and your argument for why a vigilante should use his kill on a suspect instead of you ignores the not unlikely possibility that the suspect is actually town. Your little text expressions (like *sigh*, ><, -_-) irk me and come off as expressing you thinking that something I said was stupid which frustrates you, which further irks me.

In short, your posts and arguments irk me. Given how I'm the only one complaining about it right now, it's probably just me, but even if it is just me, after writing two three long responses directed at you, I don't wish to write any more directed at you for a good while. Perhaps I'm just in a bad mood right now, and your posts are just rubbing me the wrong way.

Regardless, this whole thing is a distraction at this point, and there's no really need to continue it.

Clearly OMGUS. My reasoning is much better than yours, so I must be scum? As for you ASAP argument, all the discussion I gave afterwards clearly indicates what I was thinking. Untill you just said it, I didn't even think of the possibility of a townie with a day kill.
Instead of saying "What interguild thing resembles a stump?", why don't you just say it? If your hint is as obvious as you're making it out to be, just cut the bs. Or better yet, don't randomly roleclaim. You arn't under threat of lynch, obviously.

That's the key to the thing. If he is indeed scum. What if he's actually the doctor? Under your strategy, Dando will kill csd instead of you, there by removing a significant power role for the town, leaving you to hinder the town. It's a question of risk vs reward. Killing a random person is high risk, high reward. Killing you is low-risk, medium reward. At least, according to the information we have. Your trying to say that my analysis is wrong, but it isn't. Maybe you're just confused because yo're concealing something from me, and that is affecting my analysis. If you just think about the information I have, then you can see that my response is the only one that makes much sense.

Ok, I'm going to try and put an end to this Shos argument once and for all.
Say Shos is indeed unlynchable. If One of us NK's him, then we just lost a townie. However, if we keep him then we run the risk of killing a power role in the town (like sniper said). Although it may seem better to NK Shos, I personally don't think it is. Think of it like this, if shos is town, then it's possible for him to get very far in the game as a townie, therefore allowing the town to have a greater chance of winning the game in the long run.

Oh, and I still stand by my opinion of Thomas being scum.
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