But you do have to remember this isn't MS. MS is a website just for mafia games, so you are likely to get better players and better games than here.

You admit to have been actively lurking! THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING! I can tell you that I contributed a lot more than you day one, so stop saying things that aren't true. Sure you might of posted a few times more but your posts had no content, nor do they now! You just paraphrase and copy what everyone else has stated in your own words. The second day it wasn't my fault and I don't feel you have contributed anything even vaugely important today so you have no right to go around spouting hypocritical comments in all directions. In fact in my mind you are probably the player who has contributed the least other than Jazz. Rather than just having a go a me for physically not being able to go on, you should spend more time thinking and then using your own ideas instead of ideas from other people as that's a much better use of your time.

FoS: Jorster

I already did one thomas, but I'll refresh it just for you. also, it's not every two seconds - I check on the site around once an hour if I'm on the computer, and you always seem to be logged in for a while, but no posts.. and you haven't told me yet how you locate those posts when you need to(offtopic).

anyway:
shos=obvscum of course for uh...grasping straws..
thomas=obvscum for posting that post, which is no way is related to the game, has bolded stuff that if taken away from context can be related to the game, and well, thomas really never does things like that just for nothing
harumbai & jell=scums, for general gameplay imo
yuggy=town, general gameplay when he does post
soccerboy=??? gone.? I really forgot he existed by now, don't even remember what I thought about him
quirvy=town, for the fear of voting and genuine rage at me that wouldn't come from scum
jorster=nullscumtown, aka I have no idea. I am inclined to town for roleclaim, but inclined for scum for gameplay lurking and sheeping
shavey=nullscum, sheeping and activelurking
yaya=townnull, general gameplay.

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I have given it some thought and to be honest I'm starting to doubt that Shos is scum. His exchange with Jazz was very scummy, but from what I remember from previous games Shos has always had a very odd playstyle. What changed my mind was his participation in the Jazz wagon. While it is possible that he was bussing or that he didn't think it would matter that much, that simply doesn't seem like something Shos would do. I don't like how Shos is playing this game, but it is more important to lynch scum than people we don't like.

I have also given Quirvy some thought and have come up with a new theory. I think he might be a Survivor. It would explain his slightly out-of-character behavior earlier, as well as his active participation in the scumhunting but hesitation to vote. He wants to participate with the Town to avoid getting lynched, while also refusing to vote to avoid accidentally threatening scum.



I think I've done this more than any else in the game, but sure.

1. Shavey Dave -
I find his part role claim to be noteworthy. In my previous analysis I said how it was odd that Shavey was picky about the wagons he joined and that from this it appeared that he knew more about the game than the Town. He confirmed this and said he had a Quick Topic where he could chat with one other player and even proposed to name both roles. I find this odd, because the wagon he refused to join was the Jorster wagon. However, Jorster has already told us his role's name. So if Jorster actually is the other Townie, then Shavey would automatically betray that, which I don't think would be his intention.
A different possibility is that Shos is the other Townie with access to that Quick Topic, seeing how buddy buddy they've been during the first day. However, this doesn't explain why Shos would need to tell to do stuff in the actual Mafia topic instead of the Quick Topic.
Another thing that strikes me is how during Shavey's analysis he called Yuggy scum because he wasn't being active enough. However, Yuggy was at a school trip at that time. You would think Shavey knew about this.
SCUM

2. Yuggy -
If Shavey is to be believed, Yuggy simply doesn't have the time to be more active. That might be true, but still doesn't tell us anything about his alignment. He has been more active since his return, so for now I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
NULL

3. Shos -
See above.
TOWN

4. Quirvy -
See above.
INDEPENDENT

5. Yaya -
Yaya doesn't stand out too much. However, he does try to bring forth new observations from time to time, like Quirvy not voting, and he played an important role early in the Jazz lynch.
TOWN

6. Soccerboy13542 -
Seeing how he has been on a trip, my opinion on him hasn't really changed.
SCUM

7. Thomas -
Thomas is now a significantly more pro-Town player than in previous games. Out of anyone in this game, there isn't anyone I trust to be more town than him.
TOWN

9. Jorster -
Jorster hasn't been very helpful. However, Jorster isn't the best Mafia player around here, so I didn't really expect more from him. Besides the whole D1 wagon, I haven't really been suspicious of him.
TOWN

10. Harumbai -
I don't feel like Harumbai has been contributing much. Pretty much every post from him I can remember is him ranting about Shos's poor plays. I have been expecting more from Harumbai.
SCUM/NULL

Vote: Shavey Dave
At this moment I support both a Soccerboy and a Shavey Dave lynch. Seeing how Soccerboy isn't here to defend himself, a wagon against him wouldn't do much at this moment. So instead I vote for Shavey Dave.

I don't really follow the first bit of your Shavey argument. Why would he have to have revealed the name of Jorster's role?

I just looked at the post concerning the role and it is not a role which we can confirm in any way. I mean it could be true, but alternatively he could just give us random role names and the chances are that no one will have them. Also having a second player confirm that they are talking with him is quite revealing too so it would be too revealing to ask for someone to say whether thay had been talking with him.

I have just been looking through posts and my top suspects are Shos, Yaya and Shavey in that order.
Shos for the same reasons as always.
Yaya and Shavey for their play style particularly the area involving the claim. Yaya is slightly higher on my list for promoting the claim, but the whole thing seems so conversational as if it were planned. Their posts from then until now are all fine, but I don't get any more of a town feeling from them.

Also on a side note, the people with avatars that change randomly are really annoying me for that since I can't always distinguish who said what. Particularly when Jorster's avatar becomes identical to shos'. If I mistake what you say for someone else or do not see you post something when I am scanning for your post then I am sorry, but at the same time you partially brought it upon yourself.

Vote Count 2.13
Shos (2) - Soccerboy13542, Harumbai
Harumbai (2) - Yaya, Thomas
Soccerboy13542 (1) - Jorster
Thomas (1) - Shos
Shavey Dave (1) - Jellsprout

Not voting (3) - Quirvy, Shavey Dave, Yuggy

With 10 alive, it's 6 to achieve a lynch.
Deadline is at June 30, 06:00 AM Interguild Standard Time.

Wait. Jorster. You said yourself you are actively lurking. FoS: Jorster

First you ask for the quick topic am then this. Are you trying to make yourself look like mafia? Right now it seems that way.

Yeah, my bad jell. It looks like Yaya has been avoiding this for the entirety of the game. Do this right now Yaya; it's a serious offense.

Do what right now? Jell's post says nothing about me not doing anything as far as I can tell. I'll do whatever I'm apparently avoiding if you tell me what it is. And if this comes off as sarcastic, it's because it's impossible for me to take you seriously when you say "serious offense". This isn't a parking ticket or a classroom, Thomas.

You must list every player in the game and include your stance on them. Why did you avoid doing this? Are you scum, Yaya?

I didn't avoid doing this. I usually just respond to what other people say with my own thoughts instead of just putting out my own thoughts (unless I'm told to do so, like now). Most of my thoughts are going to be repeats of what I/others have said, or they just may not make much sense. Sorry that this'll probably come out really long; I'm just trying to get out all previous said/unsaid thoughts so I don't get pestered about it the rest of the Day.

Shavey: I can't bash him on the fact that he essentially RC'd because it's my fault, but maybe the fact that he was so eager to RC was because his role was fabricated and wanted to get it out there? Most people are careful about what they say in RCs, but maybe he wrote his up over night and that's why it was so immediate? Besides that, out of the 3 or 4 uber inactive members, his excuses/attempts at contributing have been the weakest/least helpful. Of course, the fact that he's been so active may have clouded our judgement. SCUM/NULL

Jorster: I pretty much dropped suspicion on him after we switched to Jazz D1. I think we all would've been a lot more leery to change our votes on him if we had any more serious suspicions on him D1. And the way Jazz made him claim made it look way too much like he just wanted to know his role, no bussing or blending in- especially since Jazz didn't even end up hammering him. TOWN

Yuggy: He's in the same boat as Shavey where he's so inactive that it's difficult to get a clear read, but even before he was inactive, he didn't contribute much. What he has contributed hasn't been as poor as Shavey's, but it hasn't been noticeably good, which makes him seem bad, despite not doing anything bad. NULL/MAYBE SCUM?

Jellsprout: He and Quirvy have been handling most of the civilized scum hunting, and his arguments usually come out with more than hot air, pictures of wagons, and better than most other players' in general. But the arguments aren't just worded well- they're thought out, and he's actively trying to hunt scum instead of picking just one member and claiming they're scum for the whole day. TOWN

Quirvy: He's doing about as much scum hunting as Jell, except he's a bit more reserved (except to Shos) and infrequent. It doesn't really matter if he's a survivor since he'd be just as willing to kill the scum as we are, and he's just as likely to get killed by the scum. TOWN/IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF HE'S A SURVIVOR, IMO

Thomas: You've been scum hunting, but more aggressive and unrefined than Jell and Quirvy. You're a bit of a pain to play with, but not as much as Shos. You're town because you truly haven't been easy on any player. You're one of those guilty-until-proven-innocent people. You've asked everyone to write up a suspicions list and you've marked tons of players scum on and off. To me, that strategy is too obnoxious to successfully work for scum because you constantly have to be spewing out evidence (good or not), which you have done tons of. I know you like pressure votes, but sometimes it comes off as trigger happy. TOWN

Harumbai: I dunno. I know I said it's bad to pick a player and advocate their scummyness the entire day, but I think I'm still keeping my vote on him. His performance really hasn't been on par this game compared to others. He was still kinda inactive in other games, but he still pumped out good reasoning there. This game he's even more inactive, and most of the "memorable" posts he makes are either bashing Shos or commenting on the latest wagon without really taking a heavy stance. I feel like he's pushing for a Shos lynch because essentially, the more Shos posts, the more ridiculous stuff he is likely to say, which will eventually pile into a reason to lynch purely based off of sucky performance. SCUM

Shos: Some of your actions make me , but I'm pretty sure you're town. Any player who has said this many stupid things without being lynched probably is town (I know that he couldn't be lynched D1, but he wasn't even killed N1 which sorta makes it seem like the scum wanted to keep him around so he could keep talking crap and misleading us). Most accusations on him tend to focus on his headdesk-worthy actions instead of scum-like actions (they're there, but they use his performance as a crutch). The whole bickering between Shos, Thomas, Jellsprout, and Quirvy seems to be what happens when 4 townies who play significantly different suspect each other, lol. TOWN

Soccerboy: I think he's been more active than Yuggy/Shavey, but I remember even less of his posts. Most of it seems to be rubberstamping or filler. I don't really feel like trying to find any of his infrequent posts because I feel like they won't help my opinion much, but he needs to post more before I get a solid read on him. NULL/POST MORE DAMMIT

I know you think you can get away with asking me this 2-3 times since you word it so amazingly and provokingly every time, but I still am not scum. I know you think a reaction like this is some sort of sign of me being scum, but really it's just me being frustrated with that bout of stupidity. I understand your concern that I never really posted  all my thoughts at once, but it bugs the **** out of me how every time you try and question somebody, you go with this whole high-horse-but-smartass approach where it just looks like you're talking down to them. I acknowledge that you're probably town, but whether you think your approach gets better results, it's more likely to make me lash out at you instead of giving evidence, lol.

Right now, I'd prefer to lynch Harumbai, but I guess a Shavey lynch might work. I'm sorry if I didn't label enough people as scum, but part of the reason why I haven't said many suspicions is I'm at as much of a standstill as the rest of you. And despite me only listing 2 people as straight up scum, I'm willing to be persuaded.

at first I was like HOLY SHIZZLE, preparing for superlongwallofdeath; but the I rolled and saw your sig so I started reading.

what you said about jorster - I want to point taht out.
Jazz was scum. he lured jorster to RC. I think that should probably confirm jorster as not-mafia.

about quirvy: a survivor is a pro-scum role. imagine a survivor surviving to lylo. he then just votes. if scum pile up and quickhammer, he wins. if they don't, then it's probably a scum, and so they will lynch him, and get to lylo again. too risky. but I highly doubt that the info so far can point to someone being a survivor. I think jell's arguments for this were very weak, and by Occam's Razor, etc. if anyone doesn't know what that means - 'the simpler it is, the likelier it is', sums it up.

about me - I don't know what made you think some stuff of what you wrote, but if I recall correctly, and I do, the scums did not know that I wasn't going to be a stump today. they had no reason to kill me N1.


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is there anyone, at all, except me, who is not going to ignore thomas' wierd post back then?

btw thomas, you're online for more than one hour now, and yet no post. this is what I talked about~ autorefreshing?

Calm down. I'm writing a PM to Isa... and no, it's not relevant to the game.

I didn't ignore it. I just thought it wasn't all that incriminating, Shos.

Also: I thought that's what I said? I guess it doesn't matter...

He said he would here:



http://www.interguild.org/members/forums/jump.php?to=1339941640

I figured that perhaps Jorster could be Shavey's neighbor because Shavey didn't join the Jorster wagon, but started doubting because of the above quoted posts, where he said he would reveal his neighbor's role's name. Since we already know Jorster's role's name, I don't think he is the neighbor.

well since nobody seems to be thinking anything against thomas, I'll get real and Unvote for now. his time will come. meanwhile, I'm struggling where to put my vote, whether it is on shavey, jell, or harumbai. harumbai is the current lead wagon so that's probably going to be it eventually, but I'm more concerned for the others than him, so I'll go with vote: Shavey.

also,for two hours?

Why do you want to talk to me about how long it takes to write a private message?

I would rather like to hear any thoughts you have on the mile long post of mine that you demanded. Just take a break from your PMs or something.

I think that Jell's theory about me being a survivor is definitely interesting, but I personally don't feel the need to defend myself, because I don't think that a survivor would be worth lynching anyways.

With that said, I'm not avoiding voting because I'm afraid that I'll scare the mafia and they'll kill me or something like that. I just think that it feels weird voting for someone that you really don't have any arguments against. I'm suspicious of Harumbai because of how neutral he's been. So I vote him and argue that he should be lynched because he's neutral? It just doesn't make sense to me. I guess I just don't find voting necessary until we get into the stretch and we're really starting to decide who to lynch. Before then, though, they mostly serve as more official FoS's, to let you know who people are suspicious of, and notices for people that they need to start defending themselves, and that they're acting really suspicious.

Although, now that I do look at it, we are just about into the final stretch of day 2, so I'll probably be voting within the next day. After today ends, we've basically got 2 days to figure out who we've got to lynch.

I've been really putting off looking back at old posts to decide who I want lynched, but I guess I can't put it off any longer.

One sec I'm gonna reread the whole game.

After reading through (some posts in) Days 1 and 2, I've decided who I'm going to cast my vote for. I'm sure all of you are very anxious to see who I'm going to vote for, since a lot of you have been on me for not voting.

Soon after my search began, that I realized that I still most wanted to lynch either Harumbai or Yuggy. Both had been flying under the radar a bit.

For Harumbai, the big suspicious thing was that he waited so long before switching from jorster to Jazz, so if he was mafia, it would look like he was switching at the last minute to align himself with the good guys. But I also noticed that he unvoted when jorster got to L-1, to make sure that no inexperienced players would do something stupid and end up ending day 1 early. As someone pointed out, it was unlikely to happen, but still, if I'm a mafia dude on the verge of lynching an innocent townie, I'm not going to temporarily remove my vote to make sure some theoretical newb doesn't accidentally kill him.

The thing I found suspicious about Yuggy through reading was the different ways he acted towards people. At Jazz:

At Soccer:
...

Jazz isn't involving himself in the game, so he gives him a friendly reminder.
Soccerboy isn't involving himself in the game, so he's scum.

The plus side for Yuggy is that he was one of the momentum voters, changing the vote count from 5-3 Jorster, to a 4-4 tie. And while that is good, if you think about it, it doesn't mean much, because this vote was after Jazz basically said "Screw it, kill me people" by admitting that he lied about having the intent to hammer, and then soon after declaring that he wasn't going to be able to respond for the next few days. If you're his teammate at that point, your cursing to yourself, wondering why you had to be teamed up with Jazz. Even though no one new has voted for him yet, you'd probably figure that he won't live to see nightfall, so naturally you'd consider voting for him so that you look get some town cred. So I don't put too much weight into Yuggy's vote.

Apart from that, nothing specific caught my eye from their posts. But in general, the one thing I noticed was that Harumbai seemed to be more level headed, not going after people a lot, but he also intervened when he saw people making arguments that he thought were stupid. It wasn't uncommon to see him defend people from things that were illogical, like when Shos attacked me for my typo, or Thomas for his rant thing. Yuggy on the other hand felt more aggressive, as if he was on a mission to stir things up. A lot of his arguments and suspicions didn't seem to have that much substance behind them. When everyone was caught up in the shos development, he was still pushing against Yaya for "defending" soccerboy. It was a rare occurrence to see him step in and say that someone's suspicions of someone else might be misguided. In short, it feels like Harumbai supports reason, while Yuggy just wants someone to get lynched. So I'm going to Vote: Yuggy

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I don't know what to do.

Unvote

I am adamant there was bussing on the Jazz lynch; especially if there are three scum in the setup. I think by the end of the day I will be voting for either shos, Yaya or Yuggy.