Well, I now see the full extent of my mistake.

Yaya, I'm curious about your role, but of course, I'm definitely not the best person to listen to on this subject, so it's fine if you ignore me.  

I see no harm in yaya claiming, since everyone else has claimed already.

By the way, one more thing: atvelonis and I will be in Delaware until Sunday, so we most likely won't be posting as frequently as usual until we get back.  

The Day ends on Sunday at 1pm...

We need to start thinking of a lynch candidate, and I think Atvelonis is the best choice right now. Everybody weigh in please.

Kro: yeah, I know. It won’t be impossible to post but it’ll be somewhat inconvenient to do so (for me, at least— I’m typing this on my phone, but apparently atvelonis brought his laptop).

Jorster: I agree with atvelonis being the most likely scum candidate. I’ll be on again tomorrow morning so if he’s not lynched by then and everyone is in favor of it, I’ll do it. I’d be fine with someone else bringing down the hammer before that if you don’t feel like waiting for me, though.  

VOTECOUNT OF THE DAY

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day ends in: April 1, 1:00 p.m. INTERGUILD TIME.

atvelonis (3) - Jorster, Yaya, Soccerboy.
Yaya (1) - atvelonis.

NOT VOTING:
Krotomo, Mymop.

Sorry for the belated VC. Last couple of days were Passover-full.
Less than 24 hours to Day end! Nobody is due prods.
  

Sorry for not being on yesterday. Spent most of the day with friends, and time just got away from me.

I am a town-aligned wooden dynamite crate. Any person who targets me for a night action has a 33% chance of killing me and themselves. I have no additional passive or active abilities, other than being able to vote, like everyone else. Logic would deduce that no one has been affected by my role yet, and if I have been targeted, nothing happened.

Atvelonis is the best lynch candidate as of now. I'm also still hella suspicious of Mymop despite Soccerboy getting a town result for him, but that can be discussed in D4 if Atvelonis somehow isn't mafia. Given Mymop's warning of spotty availability, Atvelonis may not be available for any last minute questions, and Kro will likely have to hammer.

Hmm. At first look I guess Yaya's claim is relatively believable; the wooden dynamite crate is essentially a tool that Hannah can use to solve traps and find treasure, but it has a chance of backfiring when activated. This would sort of line up with Yaya's alleged ability, except that Hannah/town players are not the ones activating it, scum are. Another issue is that my role (water level) is vanilla, even though Hannah can die in water, which would make the application of both of these in the game kind of inconsistent with one another.

I also couldn't remember ever seeing that exact ability in a game before, so I glanced through the role pages on the mafiascum wiki and didn't find anything that perfectly fit Yaya's description. However, it could perhaps be a variant of the bomb, mirror, or paranoid gun owner. This either indicates that Yaya is making his role up, or that Shos added his own twist on an existing role (gun owner with a percentage modifier?). However, since the other roles have so far been pretty standard (regular cop, commuter, etc.), I don't think it would be that likely for Shos to have changed anything.

That brings up the question of whether Yaya would risk inventing a role ability for his claim. Surely that would risk the very post I'm making now, no? And if someone else were to be lynched today, wouldn't he seem more suspicious? I think the most likely explanation is that he is simply attempting to discourage us from voting for him.

My vote is going to remain on Yaya for the time being.

It's a variant of Paranoid Gun Owner (shifting from 100% to 33%). Shos could have changed it to balance the game. Jory's commuter role seemed to be potentially non-standard.

I don't know how to feel about it. It seems kind of out there, and I feel like I believe it.


Couldn't I say this for every claim? Why is this even a bad thing if Yaya is town? Also, wouldn't this discourage night kills rather than voting?

I've been trying to avoid completely going off of flavor, but I will say, Yaya's flavor is more believable than yours. You misread Yaya's role to be that only scum can activate the role, but that is not the case. If I were to investigate Yaya, for example, that would count as a night action, and I would have a 33% chance of blowing both of us up. Note: the cop in this setup is the only targeting town role. We know the mafia to have at least 1 (yimmy's rolecop).

I could see shos changing the setup so that this would not significantly change the game if I were to investigate HB by chance on the first day. By day 2, we could potentially be down to a 5 person game already (lylo). Granted, it still could happen, and on Night 1 I was deciding pretty evenly between Jory, Yimmy, and HB.

I still think it's Atvelonis.  

That last post is to say: by your logic, your role is inconsistent, not Yaya's.


Also, I was thinking back to something I might have overlooked earlier. Why were you trying to use that page in the first place? Your motivation for doing so seems to be to prove that you were truly VT, but to me, this looks more like an action scum would take to fake-claim rather than a townie would just giving their claim.

If I were a VT claiming, I wouldn't care about the balance of the setup or the change that my claim might make because I know this to be 100% true.

In your case, however, you looked into the balance beforehand, which indicates that you were worried about your role claim looking fake. Why would you need to do this or care if you're actually town?

I also wanted to note that this game is not necessarily Normal, so the 50/50 split that you suggest is not guaranteed.

If I were actually the VT, I would still be aware that people could doubt my claim, but scum has much more incentive to find out if their fake-claim fits in with the rest of the roles.

Yes, but I was working under the assumption that he was scum for the rest of that post. Obviously it would not be a bad thing if he were town.


Oof, I did initially misread his post and forgot to change that in my revision (I know you aren't going to believe that). Anyway if there's any sort of multi-role setup going on (perhaps for Jorster or Kro?) then this would dissuade them from using a possible vigilante role. Though I guess this is inconsistent with what I said earlier about Shos not deviating too far from standard play.


You make a good point that it would seem like insecurity, but in this situation I doubted that you'd believe my VT claim without any evidence, as you've doubted literally everything I've said. Since that was the closest thing (beyond a flavor, of course) that I could think of, I included it. Town do indeed know for sure that we're town, but simply saying "I'm town, please believe me" isn't always convincing enough.

I think at this point I've dug my own grave with horrifically bad play. I still think it's Yaya but if I were in anyone else's position I would definitely vote for me.

If Yaya is scum, then the claim is most likely fake.

I highly doubt there is going to be a multi-role attachment. The commuter is already rather strong, and if Isa had any additional roles I think he would have claimed it in his first post.


Yet you posted this explanation before posting your flavor.

My problem with all of this is that no one asked you to claim and that I didn't even question your claim at the time when you started defending yourself.  

Sorry about this, I think I misread some stuff too. Yaya does not appear to be exactly a PGO. Yaya seems to be a combination of both the Bomb and the PGO? With the PGO, if I investigate, I don't think the PGO would die too. But it isn't exactly a Bomb in that it isn't triggered by kills only... but definitely not a Mirror in that it doesn't seem to be deflective.

Yaya, when you come online, could you please elaborate on what you know about your role? Are you given an explicit title?

I essentially said everything I know about my role in my claim post. No explicit title, although when describing that besides my passive effect, the only thing I can do is vote, a comparison was made to being like a vanilla townie.

It seems that atvelonis is seen by everyone else (myself included) as the most likely scum candidate.
Since time in this day is running out, I’m bringing down the hammer. vote: atvelonis

VOTECOUNT OF THE DAY

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day ends in: April 1, 1:00 p.m. INTERGUILD TIME.

atvelonis (4) - Jorster, Yaya, Soccerboy, mymop.
Yaya (1) - atvelonis.

NOT VOTING:
Krotomo.

Atvelonis has been lynched!
  

atvelonis has been lynched.

He was...


Night 3 starts now. It will end in 2 days exactly from this post.
Anyone with a night action - please PM me your actions.

VOTECOUNT OF THE DAY

Soccerboy died tonight. He was...Hannah! The town cop!

With 4 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.
Day ends in: April 17th, 6.00 p.m. INTERGUILD TIME.

NOT VOTING:
Krotomo, Mymop, Jorster, Yaya.

Nobody is due prods.
  

Yaya or Krotomo...

Kro please full claim with flavor text.  

I am a fake tile (Miller). I am town aligned (pro Hannah), but if a cop investigates me, I come up as guilty. I have no active power.

It seems like a reasonable claim. I don't know if scum would think up something as detailed as that. Anyway, Yaya seemed quite eager to lynch in this post. Before anyone goes accusing me of hypocrisy I'll point out that Yaya made that post when there were still more than 3 days until the deadline, and I hammered atvelonis when there were 4 hours and 12 minutes left. Also, Yaya's suspicion of me despite knowing the result Soccer's investigation strikes me as odd.


This is exactly the same as Isa's post on Day 1 except that Isa didn't specify his flavor. Jorster, are there any benefits or disadvantages to posting the flavor immediately? (I'm asking you specifically because I'm certain you're town.) The claim doesn't give us any insight on his alignment— town or scum could benefit from claiming it. Aside from that, Kro's early lynch of RG could be grounds for suspicion.  

I pushed for the flavor immediately so there wouldn't be time to come up with something, but in retrospect the fake tile was easy. Regardless of Yaya's claim sounding believable, it's probable that if he was scum he'd just post his real role and change it to sound more town aligned. it's easier than coming up with a complete fake claim.