Am I the only one that has no clue what's going on here? HB, have you read all the latest posts?

Yeah what in the hell? That post hasn't helped me lean more town on her at all.

Finger of extra suspicion: HB

I can't really fault Yimmy for singling me out there; I think he was just peeved that I flaked on Jory in the mafia game in 2013. I don't remember why I did that, but I can't imagine it was intentional (now that I think about it, I might have been camping at that time?). Of course Yimmy wouldn't have necessarily known that.

Anyway, since I've been neither incredibly inactive nor incredibly active for much of the game, I think the reason he didn't continue to single me out was because he focused his comments elsewhere. I was making enough comments in Day 1 that, say, Darvince was the person he would call out instead (Pages 6–7). Then, if you look through Day 2 comments he started to go after Kro, then argue with Soccer, and then there was the cop reveal. I certainly wasn't dominating the conversation in any of those moments so he wouldn't have had much of a reason to focus on me for that either.


I'm 100% aware that kills can be blocked, I guess I didn't bother pointing that out because it was the conclusion that everyone had surely drawn. But I totally get that the way I worded it seems a little weird. The point of the paragraph was to see if anyone had thoughts on what alternative explanations there could be. It's not something I thought was very likely—as I pointed out in that post, I couldn't come up with any good reasons for it—but it wasn't necessarily an impossibility either. Just wanted to put it out there.


I don't understand why wanting some actual evidence (i.e. waiting for HB's post replying to all this) comes off as scummy here? Scum would be the ones pushing for premature votes, no? HB hadn't posted in a long time so I had very little to go off of, hence why I didn't cast a vote ealier.


Yeah this definitely feels a bit off to me as well. Her line here definitely implies that she didn't read Jory's post about him being the commuter. She said she's been busy with school lately, so maybe she's just been skimming over all the posts and happened to overlook that one? And everyone else's subsequent posts...? I dunno, smells kinda fishy. The whole first half of Page 13 relates to that, so I'm honestly not sure how she could have missed it unless she hasn't been keeping up at all.

Vote: aych bee

These two quotes are hardly consistent. However, I'm not sure what to make of it because HB has had equally bad play.  

I can see that, but my previous comment explained why. I was just throwing out ideas for what else it could be beyond the obvious explanation. In hindsight, this would have been more clear if I had prefaced it with, "We probably have a roleblocker in this game, but if that isn't the case then..." but apparently I didn't think of that at the time. I spent like thirty seconds writing that comment so it just came off a little confusing; if I had reread it properly I probably would have realized that I needed to explain my train of thought better.

I believe HB's reasons for her inactivity, but I agree with Soccer and Jorster that her latest post doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I hope to see a more detailed post from HB, specifically explaining both what Soccer mentioned and this:

I don't see how Yimmy's vote was simultaneously obvious and low-risk. While it does look like HB put some effort into explaining this, I still don't understand it.  

Krotomo has beeen prodded.

Her excuse doesn't cut it for me. How do you have nothing to contribute when so much has happened lately?

She posted nothing about yimmy's fakeclaim, yimmy's flip, or jory's claim, all while also dismissing atvelonis' hammer and the lack of kill.

Explain your thoughts more clearly, HB.

Also, atvelonis, thank you for clearing that up. I'm more inclined to believe that.

Atvelonis's latest posts have definitely helped me lean more town for him, because at least he's being active and responding to the points brought up about him. His defense for yimmy's first vote against him is pretty solid. I'm still not sure whether I buy atvelonis's explanation for his first post this Day, but it's definitely plausible. I guess I'm a bit put off by the fact that I know atvelonis in real life as a very good writer, so naturally I have doubts that he so drastically failed to communicate his true point in that first post.

HB's post is not satisfactory. As soccer pointed out, it fails to address many recent developments, and I also have no idea what she was even trying to say in the second half of that first paragraph. And as mymop pointed out, yimmy's vote against atvelonis in Day 1 can't be both a "blatant" attempt by yimmy to distance himself from atvelonis AND be a low-risk play: it's either or.

One thing that might be notable is yimmy's responses to my arguments against HB during Day 2. While my first post obviously had number glaring flaws, I find it notable that when giving his length reply, yimmy just sort of glossed over my arguments for HB being scum, by completely ignoring my first paragraph and dismissing the second for little reason:

For whatever reason, yimmy clearly didn't feel the need to respond nearly as heavily to my arguments for HB being scum as he did to my arguments for Jory being scum, and instead disregarded them with little reason. Perhaps this is because he wanted to distance himself from HB?

Still, I'm struggling to come up with a definitive answer as to whether or not atvelonis or HB is more suspicious. I guess I'm leaning towards HB being scum now? I really dislike flipping my position so quickly. There are a bunch of very mildly scummy things about each one that have been pointed out by others and myself, but nothing that really makes me feel certain. While HB's inactivity combined with her most recent post is frustrating, I don't think she's lying about being busy (she hasn't been online since the 17th), and so I'm not sure whether her inactivity and messy post is a valid indicator of whether she is scum, though it is certainly detrimental regardless. I haven't cast a vote or FoS all Day, so here's my FoS against HB, in the hopes that it will pressure her to be more active:

FoS: HB

VOTECOUNT OF THE DAY

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day ends in: March 29, 1:00 p.m. INTERGUILD TIME.

atvelonis (1) - Jorster.
aych bee (2) - Mymop, atvelonis.

NOT VOTING:
aych bee, Soccerboy, Krotomo.


aych bee and Jorster have been prodded.

Note: HB is at 2 votes.

Kro, I wouldn't be too afraid of flipping back and forth here. There really aren't any solid indicators right now, especially with what was essentially a prod doge by HB and a few mistakes by atvelonis. With those two being the main contenders for scum, it's really difficult to figure out alignments.

As for analyzing based on your hammer, I don't think we can gather information from then. Your argument was faulty, and I think yimmy stated the obvious as to why your argument didn't work. He disregarded them because they weren't valid. Also, I would argue that he responded more toward HB than Jory.  

I don't really have much to contribute, but the inactivity from hb and that confusing post is mildly infuriating. I'm trying to decide if just lynching one after the other is a valid strategy, but I'm not too sure it is.

Well, we're going to have to do some lynching eventually. Right now, HB and atvelonis are our most likely candidates for scum. If HB turns out to be town then I'll vote for atvelonis next.  

I would be for lynching HB... if no new developments happen. We still have 8 days left, and while it's annoying she's barely posted this Day, there's still plenty of time for her activity to increase. The problem with inactivity is that it leads to a lack of information; that shouldn't be corrected by limiting our information even more.

Unofficially prodding HB again... It's been 3.5 days since her last "post".  

Just a note: I'll be able to be more active tomorrow. Unfortunately, I have two finals to study for :/

Good luck on your tests. I have a bunch of homework I need to catch up on so I'm in a similar situation. Over the weekend, of course, I'll probably be on quite often.  

Well, I'm done now.

As for thoughts on HB.... She was on break about a month ago. For that reason, I have to assume that she's in week 4 of classes? I don't plan on speculating too much, but with this being said, I really don't see any reason for her inactivity and failure to mention it, barring an emergency. I guess time will tell? I hate to leave it to that though.

Hi all, sorry for the inconvenience. I have force-replaced HB due to inactivity after multiple prods.

Yaya replaces aych bee effective immediately. Thanks!

Due to the late replacement, I extend the day to end on 1st of April, 00:00.

Hi everyone, hopefully me replacing HB gets the game rolling again. I already gave Shos a heads up, but I've only been following the game semi-closely, and I have irl plans for much of today and some of tomorrow. I wouldn't expect much of anything useful out of me until this evening at the earliest, but don't be surprised if it's not until tomorrow. Sorry for the inconvenience

Better than nothing at least. Just take some time to read through. Even if you've only been reading semi-closely, I'm sure you'll have some reads or gut reactions.

No problem if you take a bit to come up with a post imo, it's better to have something of quality to contribute. Also, shos extended the day so it should be good.

Expect a post within the next hour or so. I had literally read from the game's beginning to page 13 and had several posts throughout the game that stuck out to me up in various tabs.... and then I accidentally closed chrome, and I'm using incognito. Does not feel great

Ok, now I've read through the entire game. I'll say in general, this game seems to have a lot more nebulousness to it than previous ones. That's probably because of the low player count, Isa dropping out, and the reoccurring inactivity problems. Also, even though I read through the entire game, I didn't really take note of the passage of time between everyone's posts and such, so that may affect my interpretation thus far.

I guess it kind of feels weird having to inherit HB's place and her two votes against her, when I generally see myself as a vastly different person than her. I don't know exactly how I should explain or justify her behavior/actions, when I was not the actual person responsible for them. Reading through the game up to now, I chalked up most of her behavior as combination of her inexperience, her busyness irl, and her generally chaotic jerkish behavior I associate with her. I admit I have no idea what was going on with her last post-- that certainly did not help the condition I'm entering the game in.

At this point, the best and/or only way to redeem HB's shoes seems to roleclaim, but idk if I'm jumping the gun there. Would yall want me to roleclaim?

I have some reads, but obviously things have gotten complicated

Soccerboy: Even before he claimed cop, he was the only person I read as town pretty much the entire game.

Krotomo: Hammering RG obviously put him in a bit of a pickle D2, but since then he's been adequate. I have no problem believing he's a town aligned miller, I just think Isa was more prepared and better experienced to deal with the heat and attention that such a claim would generate

Jorster: His commuter claim is fairly believable. Beforehand, his often direct and command-oriented posting style sometimes rubbed me the wrong way

Mymop: It was very frustrating and confounding to see Soccerboy's investigation of him came up as town. Until then, he was my most likely scum candidate. Wasn't impressed with his actions around the time Yimmy got lynched, and the whole game his contributions had either left me unsatisfied or suspicious. But if Soccerboy says he's town, then he's town. So I guess it was just noobishness and bad playing on Mymop's part

Atvelonis: He's my scum candidate. His playing so far has mostly just been a less actively bad version of Mymop's. Tons of fencesitting, not many valuable contributions, but ultimately remaining active. He got on the Rocketguy bandwagon right in the sweet spot, and him deciding to lynch Yimmy because "Jorster is now requesting it" came off as odd and kind of dumb. There was still like 5 hours left before the deadline, Kro never asked the questions Atvelonis was waiting on, and I guess I'm just bothered that he couldn't hammer Yimmy of his own volition. He had to mention it was because of Jorster suggesting a hammer, despite Yimmy being quite the convincing scum candidate at the time. Like he was holding out for an excuse to not lynch his partner until he didn't have much of a choice.

Vote: Atvelonis

I'll probably be awake for the next 1.5 hours or so. I'll check in periodically till then (doesn't necessarily mean I'll log in). If you want anything from me after that, don't expect it till the morning